Wait, hasn't both the Keeping it 1600 guys worked on a winning presidential campaign?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:20 (six years ago) link
xpost i agree w/that and i have no interest in them or cum town as podcasts but whenever reactionaries use that to smear the faint revival of actual (diverse) leftist energy i feel like going to war for them
― qualx, Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:22 (six years ago) link
With one of the most charismatic politicians in American history after a disastrous GOP administration. How well has the Obama team done since 2008? Congress, Brexit, May, etc.?
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:24 (six years ago) link
If I recall correctly they won again four years later. Am I getting that right?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:26 (six years ago) link
it's bad that it was taken out of context or whatever by notable person anyone has ever heard of before @HillaryWasRight but c'mon "get this through your fucking head: you must bend the knee to us. Not the other way around" sounds like some nerd-ass 17yo trying to sound tuff on WoW
― flopson, Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:27 (six years ago) link
It wasn't taken out of context by that twitter dude, but in some stupid article that I can't be bothered to read, but it also called it a coherent and practical agenda, which only makes it more laughable. And I don't really care, I just think what milo wrote was funny too. The Menaker tweets are funny as well, especially when he says that his podcast shows a 'critical mass' of fans, which frighten all the pundits, which is so stupid and self-absorbed.
tl;dr: The Dems should go left, and the chapo guys seem unpleasant and unintelligent.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:32 (six years ago) link
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:34 (six years ago) link
especially when he says that his podcast shows a 'critical mass' of fans
hmm
We are a tiny part of this, but the success of our stupid podcast shows a critical mass of people understand these people are useless
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:35 (six years ago) link
Lol. Hm, I guess you're right, these three twitter dudes really do have better credentials when it comes to winning elections.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:40 (six years ago) link
what is the point of you
― qualx, Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:51 (six years ago) link
Oh FFS. The context of that quote is from the post-Labour election episode, explicitly about how Corbyn did far better than anybody expected and was shit upon by the more neoliberal types. and how the point was that coming right out and fully embracing more progressive positions actually had electoral results. It was a response to the more Establishment types who go for the bloodless, non-ideological data science and polling who hold that its the only way to win.
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:55 (six years ago) link
I posted the link upthread more from a sense of bafflement at the kinda thinking that would invoke ManBunKen in this
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:58 (six years ago) link
kingfish OTM, i can't believe how hysterical everyone is getting over this. it was taken completely out of context, "we" does not mean "chapo trap house," he was talking about the left & progressives immediately after the UK election.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:18 (six years ago) link
Chapo is successful because FINALLY the left has something visceral like Limbaugh.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:21 (six years ago) link
You sound like that isn't the worst thing ever.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:27 (six years ago) link
having something visceral and impassioned instead of the lifeless and toothless tone of the DNC? yes it's great
― flappy bird, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:31 (six years ago) link
also corbyn recently said he got his ideas for campaigning from bernie which warms my heart tbh
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:33 (six years ago) link
Not because of celebrity worship or whatever but just that like taking your unabashedly populist message to people and saying what you want to do seemingly works
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:38 (six years ago) link
There are, like, other political institutions than Rush Limbaugh and the DNC. It's not an either or. And if you're taking your clues from Rush Limbaugh, I'll doubt how deeply felt your leftist convictions are. And how smart your strategy is. It's not as if the right are doing that well at the moment.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:39 (six years ago) link
The right has controlled discourse and policy for like 45 years, not sure what exactly you are talking about
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:42 (six years ago) link
Politics isn't reducible to policies. When you try that, you lose. Of course, when you speak to a bunch of soybean growers, you'd better be in favor of price supports, and when you speak to bankers, you'd better be in favor of financial deregulation, but both sides know that much already. Once that's out of the way, the emotional juices had better flow in your favor.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:45 (six years ago) link
And if you're taking your clues from Rush Limbaugh, I'll doubt how deeply felt your leftist convictions are.
lmao this is amazing. don't be dense. i'm not talking about his politics, i'm talking about his style. I would put Howard Stern and Bob Grant in the same category, visceral & impassioned.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:47 (six years ago) link
I got that it was his style, and my point still stands. You think you can separate his style from his lack of ethics, morals, his willingness to lie and manipulate, his hate mongering, etc?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:49 (six years ago) link
yes
― flappy bird, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:53 (six years ago) link
style = passionate broadcasting
― flappy bird, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:54 (six years ago) link
I don't hear Rush in their DNA at all, there's more George Carlin.
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:28 (six years ago) link
Sure. They have a lot in common with Bob Grant, though I doubt they ever heard him. Felix is the only Stern fan I think, but I think there's a similarity in candor there.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:47 (six years ago) link
George Carlin was funny tho
― text text text text (voodoo chili), Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:52 (six years ago) link
Biddle & Max Read are responding to this thread with similar points:
Dirtbag Left might consider showing up more than once every 4 years to complain about the DNC and vote 3rd partyhttps://t.co/myxH7C3Zvf— Jim Ray (@jimray) July 15, 2017
I don't think it's fair to compare that to tea party-ism. The bending they're referring to is universal healthcare.— Sam Biddle (@samfbiddle) July 15, 2017
They have created a scorched earth climate where "centrist" is an epithet.— Buzz Andersen (@buzz) July 15, 2017
I don't think it's scorched earth, I think it's demanding more from the only not-GOP choice we have— Sam Biddle (@samfbiddle) July 15, 2017
A strong, organized, vocal left is the only way centrists will ever get what they say they want— Max Read (@max_read) July 15, 2017
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:10 (six years ago) link
"Showing up every four years" - glad the super lazy are just repurposing their Nader talking points.
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:13 (six years ago) link
Also, as we talked about last year, Chapo is filling the gap that some Gawkers did when their platform still existed.
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:14 (six years ago) link
If the Tea Party were what it claimed to be (grassroots rather than astroturfed), it would hardly be a horrible thing for Democrats to have - managed to get a fair number of people elected IIRC.
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:18 (six years ago) link
Yeah, they sound like what I imagine a Hamilton Nolan podcast would (and his voice couldn't be worse than Matt or Felix).
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:19 (six years ago) link
Pareene was on the Diggcast
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:37 (six years ago) link
the "bend the knee" comment was a slightly brusque but understandable reaction when for years and years, as centrists have lost ground and accomplished modest gains at best, they've also lectured the left about how "unrealistic" and "out of touch" they are. if it's an ovecorrection it's not an unfair one imo
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 15 July 2017 05:21 (six years ago) link
i wouldn't even say it's an overcorrection so much as an intentionally silly hyperbole because chapo is still - get this - a comedy podcast.
― oiocha, Saturday, 15 July 2017 06:30 (six years ago) link
i swear it's like someone had a monkey's paw and wished for a more vibrant left media and the unintended consequence was creating the worst discourse on the internet
― oiocha, Saturday, 15 July 2017 06:34 (six years ago) link
So it goes.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 15 July 2017 06:49 (six years ago) link
centrists have lost ground and accomplished modest gains at best
As timid as it might seem to single-payer diehards (myself included), the ACA was much more than a modest gain.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 15 July 2017 17:19 (six years ago) link
^this^ is true.
― popcorn michael awaits trumptweet (Hunt3r), Saturday, 15 July 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird
nobody remembers bob lassiter.
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 15 July 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link
imagine if, like, kevin williamson had written shit like that, they'd probably do a 'reading series' of it
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 15 July 2017 19:11 (six years ago) link
this is otm, flopson otm upthread too. i feel like CTH has become a weird stand-in for "the left" on twitter for moderates; they are really eager to take it down even though, like I said upthread, CTH is not even that popular. I honestly just wish moderates would at least try to do stick it to Chapo with humor and ridicule instead of "how dare these dirtbags!" moralizing, which gets super-annoying.
― intheblanks, Saturday, 15 July 2017 20:53 (six years ago) link
Also this feels otm to me, as shown by the fact that there were like 4 separate explanations of what Will meant on this thread, even though it was pretty easy to understand from the Macleans article. fwiw i think the "bend the knee" quote makes him sound like a dipshit LARPer with psychosexual dominance issues, the exact type of dude they LOVE to mock, even if i think he's right on the merits.
― intheblanks, Saturday, 15 July 2017 20:55 (six years ago) link
and fwiw I think Will's twitter thread shows the CTH guys have a far better understanding of the place of their place the "far left" than their critics do. it feels weird that their critics are always coming at them like these podcast dudes are a gigantic threat or something.
― intheblanks, Saturday, 15 July 2017 20:57 (six years ago) link
― El Tuomasbot (milo z)
yes, the end goal is to get people _elected_, who gives a shit whether or not they can actually _govern_?
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 15 July 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link
fwiw i think the "bend the knee" quote makes him sound like a dipshit LARPer with psychosexual dominance issues, the exact type of dude they LOVE to mock, even if i think he's right on the merits.
lmao nailed it
― flopson, Saturday, 15 July 2017 21:01 (six years ago) link
i think chapo is one hell of a lot better than left Rush Limbo tbh. that would be like if idk, counterpunch or some of the leftish parts of zero hedge had a podcast. chapo are still fundamentally grounded in reality
― flopson, Saturday, 15 July 2017 21:13 (six years ago) link
makes him sound like a dipshit LARPer with psychosexual dominance issues
from my perspective, to be fair, almost everybody who performs politics on Twitter sounds this way, all those chapo guys to be sure, but peter daoouou and adam parmashenko and etc and etc. (and of course thousands of right-wing goons) it's pretty fucking depressing
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 15 July 2017 21:39 (six years ago) link
wow really doing a close reading of (What appeared to be) an off-the-cuff remark on a comedy podcast.
anyway, Will's right. if the Dems want to keep 'compromising' with a bunch of corporatocrats and white nationalists AND KEEP LOSING not sure why 'the Left' should come to heel
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 15 July 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link