Dear Texas, I Hate You, Love Bright Eyes

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Of course, it's not surprising given how juvenile his "political" songwriting is.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 10 February 2005 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

The Austin exiles I know in Brooklyn don't say much different.

-- Dr Morbius (wjwe...), February 10th, 2005.

Ok, but they're FROM Texas, so they have a little more right.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 10 February 2005 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

When I curse Texas, I do it out of love.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 10 February 2005 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

"cult or no, if I went to see my favorite band and they talked a bunch of ignorant shit about my hometown/state, I wouldn't have to think twice about with whom I had stronger loyalties.
-- Al (hoteloper...), February 10th, 2005.

Really? This is too fuckin' sad. Bonehead tribalism at its worst.

Oberst's rant was ignorantly put, and he probably is a douche and all, but what he said about Texas is basically true. Worst state in the union, by far.

Calling other posters sad = DUD

T-bag, Thursday, 10 February 2005 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

it's okay, I am sad :(

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 10 February 2005 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

< / Conor >

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 10 February 2005 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Worst state in the union, by far.

Hardly.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 11 February 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

It's in the bottom five.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 11 February 2005 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I submit that Wyoming is the worst. Claim to fame? Dick Cheney.

Rounding out the bottom five are Montana, North Dakota, Alaska, and your pick of any state with endless stretches of nothing.

Matt Chesnut, Friday, 11 February 2005 00:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Bottom ten, maybe. But Austin is probably one of the 10 coolest cities in the US.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 11 February 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

no state that big that effectively has no winter can be that bad. (x-post)

Al (sitcom), Friday, 11 February 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

and your pick of any state with endless stretches of nothing.

Like Texas?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 11 February 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Endless stretches of nothing is underrated.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 11 February 2005 00:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Like Texas?

California even. Of course the difference is that after travelling for hours through endless stretches of nothing you finally arrive at something without having crossed a border.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 11 February 2005 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Endless stretches of nothing is underrated.

I liked ESN's earlier stuff better.

Matt Chesnut, Friday, 11 February 2005 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

http://insectlaws.tamu.edu/11211617.gif

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 11 February 2005 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I wouldn't trust exiles either. Hey, I don't know if I'd move back to rural IL anytime soon, and there are some "red state" proclivities in the area I grew up in, but fuck anyone from there who would leave and talk shit about what a shithole rural IL is.

One of my best friends here is from near Austin (and other parts of the state at other times), left-wing tendencies, probably going to move to Europe one of these days, and she loves Texas whilst hating Bush. She goes back all the time because she misses it so much. She told me once she gets tired of defending Texas because of Bush and for other reasons related to the misguided perspective of outsiders and "elitist assholes" who think everything outside of Austin is a wasteland.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 11 February 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish someone would tell New York to go fuck itself once in a while. It might do it some good.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 11 February 2005 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link

indeed

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 11 February 2005 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

% of Nebraskans voting Bush: 66.29
% of Texans voting Bush: 61.10

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 11 February 2005 01:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"But as the night wore on and he drained yet another bottle of beer, Mr. Oberst turned surly"

can't wait for the recovering alkie album, sure to come down the line. or book:
"Once from a stage in Fort Worth I pilloried the great state of Texas. I was tired of the road, tired of having to play some dumb shit I came up with off the top of my head, and especially of the trick where I just repeated a portentous phrase over and over, sometimes even three or four or fifteen thousand times, every song.
My drummer was really good though. I noticed he seldom drank.
Then of course I met Bono..."

noizem duke (noize duke), Friday, 11 February 2005 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Conor Oberst = '05's Ryan Adams?

cdwill, Friday, 11 February 2005 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd rather hear Dashboard Confessional

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 11 February 2005 01:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Ryan Adams was far more entertaining than Oberst.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 11 February 2005 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link

http://members.cox.net/alyceanna/images/zxc-077.jpg

daria g (daria g), Friday, 11 February 2005 03:30 (nineteen years ago) link

This is Texas
This is badass
This is chain-gang
This is mustache
I am Texas, I am Texas, I am Texas, I am Texas

daria g (daria g), Friday, 11 February 2005 03:32 (nineteen years ago) link

http://img228.exs.cx/img228/777/austin.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 11 February 2005 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I have lived in Austin for the last 11 months. I still have not been outside the city limits.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Friday, 11 February 2005 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

West Berliners used to say the same thing.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 11 February 2005 04:47 (nineteen years ago) link

You should get out to Enchanted Rock when the weather improves. It's really lovely there.

Austin (Austin), Friday, 11 February 2005 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I find the "Austin is different from the rest of Texas" meme tiring. Austin is boring. The music scene isn't appreciably better than elsewhere in the state. The arts scene isn't. Sixth Street - a bunch of middle-class white kids drinking heavily? Seen it. But at least you pay a lot more for the privilege of living in Austin.

I'd rather live in Denton, El Paso, parts of Ft. Worth, even Dallas over Austin. If Houston wasn't dirty and humid, it would place higher.

Is Austin preferable to, say, Waco or some little scary town on the LA border? Yes. That's not saying much.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 11 February 2005 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link

miloz OTM.

Matt Chesnut, Friday, 11 February 2005 05:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Whiskeytown>>>>>Ryan Adams>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bright Eyes

Un investigador del siglo XXI (AaronHz), Friday, 11 February 2005 05:43 (nineteen years ago) link

investigador otm

i'll be happy to curse NYC from the stage, if you want, Hurting. Next time I'm there to play, which will probably be early March, I'll say how much I despise New York - the smarmy delicate bitch of all states. A playground for the shallow, rich and very stupid alike.

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Friday, 11 February 2005 07:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"If you came to this thread tonight, you're not a normal ILXan," he said after another long chug of Diet Mountain Dew. "If you were a normal ILXan, you'd be shopping at Amoeba® with your roommate's debit card."

MV, Friday, 11 February 2005 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"Dear Conor,

;o((((((((((

eman (eman), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"Dear Conor,

;o((((((((((

<3
Texas"

eman (eman), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Oberst's rant was ignorantly put, and he probably is a douche and all, but what he said about Texas is basically true. Worst state in the union, by far.

-- MV (yello...), February 10th, 2005.

You sir, are a god damn idiot.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

You know, that synth record isn't all that synth, nor all that different from the first album. I guess the rock-criterati don't go further than the fourth song...both surprised me in a good way. I didn't like Bright Eyes before these albums, but I'm digging on them now.

Brett Hickman (Bhickman), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I could do without East Texas, let Louisiana have Deliverance-lite country.

Dude, I don't want East Texas or West Louisiana. Anything west of Acadiana and north of Baton Rouge can fuck off. Shreveport = a little bit of hell.

I'm shocked that people are shocked that Conor Oberst would say something so mind-bogglingly stupid. It's Conor Oberst.

adam (adam), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Oberst's rant was ignorantly put, and he probably is a douche and all, but what he said about Texas is basically true. Worst state in the union, by far.
-- MV (yello...), February 10th, 2005.

You sir, are a god damn idiot.

-- David Allen (earwhig...), February 11th, 2005.

Well, you, sir, are a Texan.

MV, Friday, 11 February 2005 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I live in New York actually. Weird irony, there.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 11 February 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Then he finished the tune and treated fans to a rarity, "When the President Talks to God," a Dylan-style folk ballad that was funny, smart and concise

WHAT A SMRAT FUNNY CONCISE TREAT THAT IS

eman (eman), Friday, 11 February 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post

Look, here's the test question: Which state's absence from the union would most improve the USA? As I said, not even close. Texas:USA::USA:Earth

MV, Friday, 11 February 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Milo OTM re: Austin.

Nobody would give a fuck about Austin if it a) didn't host SXSW and b) if the hipsters who "love" Austin were there on their own tab.

And I actually like the place. It's just overrated.

don weiner, Friday, 11 February 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0000257A1.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I'm all for Texas.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

austin might be overrated nationally but it is by far the best city in texas to live in. maybe san antonio comes close, nothing else does. houston and dallas have better fine arts, but that's good for a road trip half a dozen times a year... not a reason to live there. whoever put el paso in the running up there is batshit crazy. if galveston hadn't been wiped off the map by a hurricane 100 years ago, it would probably be #1 now.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I MISS TACO CABANA

noizem duke (noize duke), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I like El Paso (admittedly, I've never had to live there). Best climate in Texas, right on the border, relatively low cost of living for a 1mln+ city, minor league baseball.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

houston and dallas have better fine arts, but that's good for a road trip half a dozen times a year... not a reason to live there.

That's an absolutely ludicrous if your job (or your spouse's job) involves the fine arts!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link


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