The fly swatting scene was a master class in telegraphing a punchline and then dragging it out to a ridiculous length before finally delivering.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 17 July 2017 15:49 (six years ago) link
I read on the twin peaks wiki that Lynch actually voices jerry's foot!
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Monday, 17 July 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
There's something about Richard's character that's been bothering me (beyond the obvious). Assuming this theory about his being Cooper's illegitimate son pans out, I wonder if his more extreme behavior only started to manifest recently, say around the time the good Dale left the Lodge? Because I find it hard to believe that he could've been operating at such a level of overt psychopathy for long without being dead or in jail. Or maybe it is just the drugs making everyone nuts.
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 July 2017 16:23 (six years ago) link
I mean, like, even Leo Johnson was able to avoid behaving like a complete maniac when among the general public.
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 July 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
He wasn't rich
― mh, Monday, 17 July 2017 16:37 (six years ago) link
yeah young scion of a rich white family w corrupt cops on the payroll buys a lot of leeway
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 July 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link
his grandma seemed to know what he wanted immediately so he apparently has some sort of reputation as an asshole
― dynamicinterface, Monday, 17 July 2017 16:45 (six years ago) link
How quickly we forget Augustus and Ruth Johnson of the Johnson Tuna dynasty, who summered in Twin Peaks with their wayward son Leonard and perished under mysterious circumstances.
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 July 2017 16:45 (six years ago) link
i wonder how close jerry is to jack rabbit's palace?
― dynamicinterface, Monday, 17 July 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link
Yeah, no doubt Richard's been a d-bag for a while but I have a hard time believing he could even set foot in public if his average week includes the public molestation and casual slaughter of the town's residents.
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 July 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link
I feel like Cole seeing Laura was foreshadowing his death :/
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 17 July 2017 16:49 (six years ago) link
That's certainly what I thought was happening for a moment until his vision cleared.
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 July 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link
Oh man if mr c murders gordon
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 17 July 2017 16:54 (six years ago) link
stop fucking with my emotions, wins!
― mh, Monday, 17 July 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
dynamicinterface, that occurred to me too.
― sciatica, Monday, 17 July 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE86e3WXoAEn9Tn.jpg:large
― na (NA), Monday, 17 July 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
the repetition of "douglas" made me think of lynch's speech at the premiere in may
“I like trees and I love wood. I like to cut wood. Tonight, we’re going to a place where the trees are primarily Douglas firs.
Douglas firs are a beautiful tree and if we’re very quiet, we can hear the wind rustling the needles as we move through the forest, getting closer and closer. And now, we’re here.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the world of Twin Peaks!”
― maura, Monday, 17 July 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link
My take on Richard is that he was always a bad seed, but the Balthazar Getty super drugs turned him into a rampaging psycho.
― Moodles, Monday, 17 July 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
That is probably an accurate take.
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 July 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link
paused and tried to see who bad cooper was talking to by the big glass box in the photo, but i couldn't tell who it was. it looked like a bald (?) guy with glasses (?) in a trenchcoat (?) in the foreground and someone else behind him
It looked like Dr Bunsen Honeydew.
― I'm make-believe. (jed_), Monday, 17 July 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
I don't buy that Red is manufacturing super drugs. Seems like Richard is just a psycho high on coke.
― Paisley Window Pane (Ross), Monday, 17 July 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
This episode felt like a regression. Agree that it was treading water and reiterating a lot of things we know. The Richard Horne stuff just makes me not to watch anymore. I actually appreciated the trailer scene, where his killing is done off camera and you are left to imagine. The scene with his grandmother just felt unnecessary and cruel/sadistic. Kind of felt it deserved a trigger warning for the language too.
― Michael F Gill, Monday, 17 July 2017 18:02 (six years ago) link
it def turned my wife off.
― akm, Monday, 17 July 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link
imo they cut whatever the drugs are supposed to be with garmonbozia
also:
pic.twitter.com/Fqpof2NSuw— david binch (@apepsibath) July 16, 2017
― mh, Monday, 17 July 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link
I thought this episode had lots of great stuff in it and I love the series but I totally understand that reaction to the Richard scene. Particularly with Johnny tied up, very brutal.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 17 July 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link
unfortunately unrelated https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/16/poundland-delays-launch-of-twin-peaks-chocolate-bar-amid-legal-row
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
i wish there was a injunction against the breastaurant
― maura, Monday, 17 July 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
Visceral, raging brutality is often present throughout Lynch's work. Why would this surprise anyone?
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link
there's a difference between surprise and disgust
― mh, Monday, 17 July 2017 18:49 (six years ago) link
It was a tad fucked that Richard was strangling his grandmother's throat as she was giving him the combo for the safe. I suppose that's Lynch establishing he's full out psycho, but I dunno, felt forced?
― Paisley Window Pane (Ross), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
(xpost) I get that. But you don't sit and watch a Lynch feature not expecting to be occasionally disgusted. Except for maybe "The Straight Story".
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link
felt...forced
― sciatica, Monday, 17 July 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link
By that token Frank Booth's extended apartment attack on Dorothy Valens is forced as well. This is a Lynch trademark and doesn't feel out of the norm for me as a viewer.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:54 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I agree with you Jay Vee. That's his shtick
― Paisley Window Pane (Ross), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link
It's horrible to watch that's for sure.
― lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link
Did Johnny's nightmare bear continue to speak through that entire scene?
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:57 (six years ago) link
But it does reinforce how pathetic Richard is - he's not so much a bad ass as a real piss-ant who takes advantage of those who can't defend themselves.
Yeah the bear continued to speak, which makes the scene way more intense
― Paisley Window Pane (Ross), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
In re the violence, it is disturbing and has always left Lynch open to fair criticism, particularly his portrayals of violence against women. I think the defense of it is that his violence is shocking the way real violence in the world is shocking. It disrupts all the surfaces of social contracts and norms and reveals rawer instincts below. (Lynch of course very into revealing things that lurk below.) So I think there's more to its persistence in his work than exploitation, it's one of the facets of nature -- human and otherwise -- that he is drawn to.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
Both
1) the shot of Richard Horne reflected in the glass door, so his face is embedded in Miriam's chest; and2) "you have an enemy IN Douglas Jones"
seem references to Bob lodged in (and dug out of?) BadCoop's chest or just more generally the fact that one being can inhabit another
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 17 July 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link
I wouldn't say it wasn't artistically unjustifiable, given the dichotomy/polarities of decency and evil he's setting up but the prolonged assault with the mentally disabled adult she cares for watching and afraid...I think we can understand why some viewers even familiar w and fans of Lynch's aesthetics would be hopeful not to see something like that again.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 17 July 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
yeah tipsy OTM
― Paisley Window Pane (Ross), Monday, 17 July 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
and again, it's normal to like a director like Lynch and also find fault or dislike some of his storytelling (and even hold out hope his approach changes)
meeting complaints with "well it's David Lynch, what'd you expect?" is kind of useless when someone does expect the violence but holds out hope it's approached differently
it's not by any means a deal breaker for me and there are a million things in his work that appeal versus the handful I wish were different but not to the extent I walk away
― mh, Monday, 17 July 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
It felt a bit more like this was about violence against women, rather than being exploitative (i do think the criticisms he faces on that front are generally justified)
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Monday, 17 July 2017 19:03 (six years ago) link
i paused and tried to see who bad cooper was talking to by the big glass box in the photo, but i couldn't tell who it was. it looked like a bald (?) guy with glasses (?) in a trenchcoat (?) in the foreground and someone else behind him
― na (NA), Monday, July 17, 2017 3:13 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/wpid-article-1317296589811-0e24b9d000000578-503975_636x338.jpg
― Pheeel, Monday, 17 July 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
I wasn't particularly shocked or repulsed by it. I was, however, pretty repulsed and disappointed in the hit and run on the child a few episodes ago.
I was more shocked when he called her a cunt as le left.
― I'm make-believe. (jed_), Monday, 17 July 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
I have some half-formed thought in my head about the intensity of that scene feeling more oppressive than it might've because Johnny was essentially a proxy for the viewer, watching it all unfold and incapable of doing anything to prevent it.
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 July 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
I had the same thought, Old Lunch. It kind of makes it even worse that I just kept willing Johnny to somehow break free and assault Richard -- really, it should have been about protecting his mom, not being violent to Richard in return
making viewers want something horrible and violent to happen to this horrible fictional man is a conscious thing
― mh, Monday, 17 July 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link
Imagine if that scene were actually filmed with the camera on its side, as one unbroken shot from his perspective. Like that horrific scene from Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer. Eeesh.
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 July 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link
xpost way upthread to mh -- Must be a generatiional thing (I'm in my late '40s) but I kind of let creative folks I deeply admire "do their thing", even if I am disappointed by approaches they may eventually take in their art, and never hope they will change those approaches in order to meet my needs. That would be worse in my eyes.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 17 July 2017 19:10 (six years ago) link
I think the man sitting opposite bad Cooper is wearing a lab coat rather than a trench coat.
― I'm make-believe. (jed_), Monday, 17 July 2017 19:10 (six years ago) link