Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

and again, it's normal to like a director like Lynch and also find fault or dislike some of his storytelling (and even hold out hope his approach changes)

meeting complaints with "well it's David Lynch, what'd you expect?" is kind of useless when someone does expect the violence but holds out hope it's approached differently

it's not by any means a deal breaker for me and there are a million things in his work that appeal versus the handful I wish were different but not to the extent I walk away

It felt a bit more like this was about violence against women, rather than being exploitative (i do think the criticisms he faces on that front are generally justified)

i paused and tried to see who bad cooper was talking to by the big glass box in the photo, but i couldn't tell who it was. it looked like a bald (?) guy with glasses (?) in a trenchcoat (?) in the foreground and someone else behind him

― na (NA), Monday, July 17, 2017 3:13 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/wpid-article-1317296589811-0e24b9d000000578-503975_636x338.jpg

I wasn't particularly shocked or repulsed by it. I was, however, pretty repulsed and disappointed in the hit and run on the child a few episodes ago.

I was more shocked when he called her a cunt as le left.

I have some half-formed thought in my head about the intensity of that scene feeling more oppressive than it might've because Johnny was essentially a proxy for the viewer, watching it all unfold and incapable of doing anything to prevent it.

I had the same thought, Old Lunch. It kind of makes it even worse that I just kept willing Johnny to somehow break free and assault Richard -- really, it should have been about protecting his mom, not being violent to Richard in return

making viewers want something horrible and violent to happen to this horrible fictional man is a conscious thing

Imagine if that scene were actually filmed with the camera on its side, as one unbroken shot from his perspective. Like that horrific scene from Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer. Eeesh.

xpost way upthread to mh -- Must be a generatiional thing (I'm in my late '40s) but I kind of let creative folks I deeply admire "do their thing", even if I am disappointed by approaches they may eventually take in their art, and never hope they will change those approaches in order to meet my needs. That would be worse in my eyes.

I think the man sitting opposite bad Cooper is wearing a lab coat rather than a trench coat.

Richard Horne's face seems kind of distorted and weird, like a Picasso face -- did they somehow distort or prosthetize him or is that just what the actor actually looks like?

interesting point from an online commenter"

"Big takeaway: Chad pocketed the letter from Miriam Hodges, yet Miriam's last name is actually Sullivan as seen in the credits. So he got the wrong letter and the real one will still make it to the TPSD."

Yeah, i wonder how Richard expects to flee with such a face? Surely he'd be identified in no time.

xxp "creative folks" change their approaches all the time, during their lives, not just responding to critical reviews but the changing social climate, their own maturity, and their own experiences

I don't want my needs met. I just think certain changes would be nice. Also, I'm not one to hold Lynch to this, and I'm personally relatively fine with the level of violence. I'm articulating why criticizing reviewers for having their opinions is a slippery slope

xpost I have a feeling Lynch just picked some weird looking folks for this. Amanda Seyfried's bf (can't remember the character name) is one inbred, devilish looking mf'er.

xpost way upthread to mh -- Must be a generatiional thing (I'm in my late '40s) but I kind of let creative folks I deeply admire "do their thing", even if I am disappointed by approaches they may eventually take in their art, and never hope they will change those approaches in order to meet my needs. That would be worse in my eyes.

― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, July 17, 2017 2:10 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I can agree with that. I may enjoy the work of an artist who always gives me exactly what I want and whose work always mirrors my own view of the world but they aren't going to be an artist that I engage with particularly deeply.

Can't decide if I like the official Twin Peaks twitter account (which is pretty deep spoiler-y) or not. Their latest tweet spells out a lot that most of us probably missed.

xposts

Suspect description: looks evil

I mean, David Lynch is a grown human being and not a fucking bonsai tree, criticism isn't personally shaping him, it's feedback that he can take how he likes! If he repeatedly gets the same criticism and it rolls off him, then he's intentional

this whole "can't hurt the artist's process" thing is insulting to both artists and viewers

xxpost do tell! (heading to Twitter)

xxp Albert, which tweet? I'm scrolling through and it doesn't seem to spoilery (unless you missed the pointed Log Lady comment)

I find some of Lynch's monsters more sophisticated and chilling in their conception than others, and therefore even when their actions are extremely disturbing I feel like I'm not just watching cheap pulp exploitation. Richard and Ike the Spike to me are more in line with the dumb brute, gross-out psychos like the hit men in Wild at Heart, and not necessarily what some people who prefer Twin Peaks to Lynch's other work had been waiting for.

"Except for maybe "The Straight Story"."

so glad he cut the dog raping scene from that movie

Richard Horne actually has the nose that classical statues have where there is no break, or indentation between the slope of the forehead and the slope of the nose. This was the aesthetic ideal in Ancient Greece but it looks weird when you see it in the flesh.

http://www.stickpng.com/assets/thumbs/585693984f6ae202fedf2724.png

wow you're totally right

i feel like somehow he looks the way vamps on buffy look except no fangs

Apparently he was hand picked for the role after starring in a film by Jennifer Lynch
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt1989475/

couldn't find anything spoilery in the twin peaks twitter, unless you haven't watched the latest episode.

x-posts

Leonine, in a bad way. (I'm sure I've seen it in a good way...)

herman cain where is he now? posting articles with out-of-context stills of twin peaks pic.twitter.com/93rRRDde51

— POST MAN (@MatthewPWells) July 17, 2017

maybe they deleted it? let me go find it...

Or is this not the official TP twitter?

Two Miriams?

Via https://t.co/qe4ETRHKGE #TwinPeaks pic.twitter.com/AfpwW05QWE

— Twin Peaks ✉️ (@ThatsOurWaldo) July 17, 2017

It's followed by Mark Frost but not David Lynch...

no, that's 'welcome to twin peaks' twitter. they're a fan website. but an astute one.

from their website:

WELCOME TO TWIN PEAKS IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH RANCHO ROSA, SHOWTIME, OR TWIN PEAKS PRODUCTIONS.

fwiw (not fwim) the only "official" one is the showtime-affiliated one at https://twitter.com/sho_twinpeaks

unless you count mark frost and david lynch at

https://twitter.com/mfrost11
and
https://twitter.com/DAVID_LYNCH

also it's called @ThatsOurWaldo

Okay, sorry about that. Anyways, my point still stands that that account is perhaps borderline too deep in the well for me at the moment.

candie's affections not a million miles away from those of dougie imo. my bold / incredibly stupid prediction: candie is inhabited by laura palmer, who's had a little more time to spend adapting to the normal world than cooper has

wins:

TP fans: a character impregnating someone in a coma is a step too far even for this show

25 years ago it depicted (first through suggestion then through filmed scenes) a father repeatedly raping and then killing his daughter. the likelihood that bad cooper fathered richard through rape feels well within the vibe of the show to me.

dowd:

It felt a bit more like this was about violence against women, rather than being exploitative

otm, it's women in trouble. apart from candie (who is apparently not the empty vessel she appears to be), imo every woman who was attacked in part 10 was a sympathetic portrayal, not an opportunistic one.

breaking this off into a separate post:

I find some of Lynch's monsters more sophisticated and chilling in their conception than others, and therefore even when their actions are extremely disturbing I feel like I'm not just watching cheap pulp exploitation. Richard and Ike the Spike to me are more in line with the dumb brute, gross-out psychos like the hit men in Wild at Heart, and not necessarily what some people who prefer Twin Peaks to Lynch's other work had been waiting for.

― Chris L, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 05:18 (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there seem to be two distinct categories of bad guys in this show:

• high status: bad cooper/BOB
• low status: richard, chad, ike, mr todd &c.

as far as i can tell, bad cooper/BOB is the only solidly high-status bad guy. he kills and attacks people without so much as blinking (in a lot of his scenes he's almost completely still), and everyone is deferential to him. this sets him well apart from even the worst bad guys in other subplots, and imo makes him the most terrifying. (red might also fall into the high-status category, not sure yet though.)

i'm mentioning all this because low-status characters are usually undone by the qualities which make them low-status, but the high-status bad guys are usually the ones who last until the end and are present for the big showdown. we can guess bad cooper/BOB will be in act 3, sure, but we can also assume the other bad guys will fuck up in various ways and not be in control of the final scenes.

Just saw this, still digesting, love reading all your comments yet nothing to add to it. Except that I'm amazed that no-one has mentioned Johnny Jewel's 'Windswept' album, that came out in May this year. 'Slow Dreams' was on tonight's episode, Chromatics were on it already earlier. The album was announced on forehand as an album with 'Twin Peaks' music on it. And listen to it now: 'Slow Dreams', 'Television Snow', 'Saturday - Desire'.. well the whole album oozes Twin Peaks, uncanilly so (it's on spotify). In any case this seems way more significant than fucking moby.

http://media.pitchfork.com/photos/592f565b14bc83430bf25918/master/pass/file

yeah it's a great compilation.

important update: watched last night's episode eating jalapeño creamed corn

Audrey has to make an appearance in next episode right? I mean she has to, regardless of her possible offspring right? The atomic bomb (literally and figuratively) dropped in episode eight was followed by two very (for TP) straight forward 'show and tell' episodes. Time for the next mind fucking reshuffle. For those crazy bugs to re-appear, looming in the shadows of the woodsmen. And for Audrey to finally enter the stage. Right?

xp whoa

the trick to enjoying twin peaks: the return is to never hope for anything

i demand an atomic bomb every two episodes sorry

that's what the janey-e and dougie scene was imo

expectation is a prison, etc

I feel like that was one of the horniest scenes in film history