Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

I would venture to guess that goole isn't too keen on Trump either

Wtf the one who talks the most is will and the ideology is most clearly articulated by Amber

I don't like chapo much but you're such a bad poster

Why, because you're a worm who must always go with what everyone else says?

Ehhh, sorry about that, I hold my posting quality in too high regard

I'm sorry too, Mr. Kaiser. There are no bad posters just bad posts.

have now listened to two episodes of this, and am a bit surprised to say that i found it to be quite funny and entertaining most of the time, these guys have decent comic timing and come up with some good riffs. that said it kind of amazes me that this show is apparently taken THIS seriously by so many ppl, it seems so light on actual political insight. to some extent listening to these guys chat reminds me of the shit i used to say in my late teens/early 20s, when i spent more time ranting about politics than actually paying attention to it. but that's ok, there are other podcasts for that, and it's fun enough to listen to in the car.

ppl arguing that they are a comedy podcast not a political movement are OTM, but obviously they are pulled—and throw themselves—into politics (or more accurately, the horribly blinkered and inane political twitterverse) by criticizing centrist libs. This discussion makes me wonder above all about how influential online political discourse really is, or could or should be. The relationship between the alt-right and Trump's election raises the same question, I think, though of course that case is not completely analogous.

This is not an ageist diss, but carpet_kaiser must be a troll and/or 15 years old.

No, the opposite. After seeing murder, torture, death, exploitation, human trafficking, and all sorts of horrors of the world, it changes your mind about things; my own mind is about advancing the world, not staying in the same pile of shit we're in now, which is Chapo firmly stuck in. But keep on lollin, you inexperienced naif.

i don't think 15 year olds know what message boards are tbh xp

Who doesn't love contemplating the horrors and shit of the world?

xp oh yeah good point

real winning rhetorical strategy you got there CK, that's us schooled

Part of why I think Chapo thinkpieces are terrible is that they never seem to say anything that isn't better understood by just listening to the show. FWIW I do think the DSA surge is a potentially significant political phenomenon, and Chapo happens to be adjacent to it/contribute to it, although I think are less responsible for it than Bernie, magazines like Jacobin, Occupy and the general phenomenon of weird/left twitter that spawned Chapo.

I agree the episodes aren't always brimming with political insight, but Matt drops some real bombs from time to time and is a true master of the rant genre. They kind of have a few insights that they repeat a lot and they are almost victims of how right they were -- the "libs" and Nat Review conservatives that they lampoon really did become a lot less relevant in 2016 to the point that taking shots at them starts to lose its salience.

maybe carpet_kaiser is a Maoist and Chapo are insufficiently revolutionary?

Nah, I joined the Communist Party when I was 12 years old, and parted pretty quickly after. I've got my own political philosophy worked out, which isn't something you can guess at.

whatever it is it's remarkably persuasive

If this was Twitter that would start a 100-reply 'beautiful self-own' thread.

Nah, I joined the Communist Party when I was 12 years old, and parted pretty quickly after. I've got my own political philosophy worked out, which isn't something you can guess at.

― carpet_kaiser, Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:53 AM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://m.baklol.com/baks/Funny/Best--guess-----memes-_1709/A-smug-look-_21466

Carpet_kaiser, what was your previous login name on here?

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Also, Scott Benson had a great point when he summarized it all as "the Mean Left," rather than the alt-left or whatever bullshit formulation.

Sooo many professional media/pundity types are freaking out because they're getting snarked on in their preferred social media networks. It's not just that (ex)Gawker types are mocking them, but people are actually @ing them and shit.

No, the opposite. After seeing murder, torture, death, exploitation, human trafficking, and all sorts of horrors of the world, it changes your mind about things; my own mind is about advancing the world, not staying in the same pile of shit we're in now, which is Chapo firmly stuck in. But keep on lollin, you inexperienced naif.

o hai larry appleton

Just a few slices of apple, Servant.

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion

not reading Jeet's article about how rude we are till he takes David Frum's dick out of his mouth

— RusticBaller (@ByYourLogic) July 19, 2017

Finally someone bold enough to say that giving a blow job is the ultimate in degradation. Revolution!

weird that the one who's the biggest asshole and slings around retard and casual homophobia should be a fan of MMA huh

must be a good chance of him doing a full alt-right heel turn at some point

Does Trump have to actually blow Putin? Is that what it wld take?Flagrant D, balls gargling the leader of the Russian Federation? Jus asking

— Bill Maher (@billmaher) July 19, 2017

how about a Chapo/Real Time crossover episode?

yeah Felix did a bad tweet

reading back through their posting history I'm sure c_k's politics are ilx-approvable, even if their abrasive and patronising style isn't

how about a Chapo/Real Time crossover episode?

We can throw Colbert in there, too.

Felix's twitter more often than not is kind of a hypocritical shit show. Pushing the false flag narrative about the chemical attack in Syria was maybe a low point.

oh look they made the WaPo editorial page

o hai larry appleton

― he tasted like mouth (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, July 20, 2017 2:49 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ah. all is clear now. the narcissistic fantasist has logged on

fairly even handed outline
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/07/20/the-millennial-lefts-war-against-liberalism/?utm_term=.1f4cf4d7eb55

ah. all is clear now. the narcissistic fantasist has logged on

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:57 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If you call PTSD being a "fantasist", fair enough. Not surprising from people who LOL at calling other people "retards".

I guess my deal with Chapo boys is they're the wrong direction, IMO. It's Felix's game, and he's basically a new wave Bill Maher. One of my own ideas is, for example, taking assertive action to make penance for slavery and racism against black people, for a large variety of humane, ethical, and practical reasons. It's amazing to me that we still haven't done this yet. Top priority.

Instead, we have these dudes who punch and beat at weak targets and empower themselves on the backs of others. On top of stacking left organizations with their numbskull followers. And are hailed as the new face of the left. Not a big fan of that. Guess I just take it all too seriously.

"Around 15,000 people pay $5 per month for weekly subscriber-only episodes"

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/324417-maddows-trumps-tax-return-reveal-delivers-41-million-viewers-for-msnbc

Despite the URL, that's 4.1 million

I like the WaPo piece. But I think they're flying way too close to the sun. Felix's Frum tweet is obv nagl, and it's a sign of things to come - if he's flipping out that much over a fairly mild critique by Jeet, I suspect another tweet or quote from the show will sink them and lead more and more people to dismiss them. Glenn Beck was a sensation for a year or so and then he flamed out. I disagree that "Felix is Chapo" - like someone said upthread, Matt and Amber are the ones that articulate the ideology of the show and have the most substantive things to say. They may have gotten a lot of young people to go to DSA meetings after the election and exposed those kids to leftist ideas, but Whiney's right, their reach is grossly exaggerated. Jacobin and Occupy are just as responsible for surging leftist movement as CTH.

just ftr i kept hearing about this surging DSA membership and apparently it has surged to 24,000 dues paying members. which isn't to say that it won't continue to "exponentially" grow but when the exponential growth is from 6,000 to 24,000 it is a huge increase in % but still a pretty small real number.

True - but that doesn't take into account everyone that loved Bernie and was fucking livid at HRC, DWS, and the DNC for knee-capping him in the primaries, even if he had his blindspots with black voters. Been said upthread but his campaign (like Trump's) didn't start out with an aim to win. Most of those people aren't joining the DSA or even aware of it. There is a large & growing voting bloc that is sympathetic to leftist ideas.

i don't disagree. just think DSA membership is maybe not the most accurate measure of that sentiment.

I agree, but a four-fold increase in membership, even if it's just 24,000 people, shows that hitherto unviable positions are gaining support, even if it's runoff compared to the more mainstream enthusiasm for Bernie's socialism-lite.

that washington post article barely mentions the 2008 financial collapse until the second to last paragraph. you want to know why millennials are down on capitalism? its because their formative experience with it was watching it spectacularly fail, hurt a fuck ton of people, saw the people who were responsible for it totally bailed out and people who had nothing to do with it slapped with crushing austerity.

for a lot of people my age (33 this week) i know that the combination of the iraq war and the financial crisis has completely coloured our worldview

carpet_kaiser at 10:53 19 Jul 17

Nah, I joined the Communist Party when I was 12 years old, and parted pretty quickly after. I've got my own political philosophy worked out, which isn't something you can guess at.

best Mussolini impersonation I've seen without an anime avi

I'm 38 so I'm lucky. I was able to get into the job market and have a good base of skills built up when the bloodletting began. My wife is your age and was basically just hitting the job market when lehman exploded.

that washington post article barely mentions the 2008 financial collapse until the second to last paragraph. you want to know why millennials are down on capitalism? its because their formative experience with it was watching it spectacularly fail, hurt a fuck ton of people, saw the people who were responsible for it totally bailed out and people who had nothing to do with it slapped with crushing austerity.

― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:54 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

for a lot of people my age (33 this week) i know that the combination of the iraq war and the financial crisis has completely coloured our worldview

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:55 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm... I'm 24 and 9/11 was the formative experience of my world view... obviously it all starts there: endless war, incomprehensible amounts of money lost or wasted, incompetent and outright evil politicians, total confusion and frittering away of all good will we had on 9/12... I barely remember the Pax Americana of the 90's.

I like the WaPo piece. But I think they're flying way too close to the sun. Felix's Frum tweet is obv nagl, and it's a sign of things to come - if he's flipping out that much over a fairly mild critique by Jeet, I suspect another tweet or quote from the show will sink them...
― flappy bird, Thursday, 20 July 2017 17:31 (fifty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this happened in the UK, on a much smaller scale, quite recently with the realpolitik podcast, where the young lads tweeted something p.stupid and then got a full takedown doxxing in the daily mail

carpet_kaiser at 10:53 19 Jul 17

Nah, I joined the Communist Party when I was 12 years old, and parted pretty quickly after. I've got my own political philosophy worked out, which isn't something you can guess at.

best Mussolini impersonation I've seen without an anime avi

Nah, it's based on the Franciscan Catholic teachings I grew up on. Radical compassion, tolerance, acceptance, charity, sacrifice, etc. I'm an atheist now, but that forms the basis of my worldview. Better get that anime AVI going.

You guys are doing a bad job at figuring me out.

a riddle wrapped in an idiot