Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

perfectly okay with 'republican said a thing' humor falling by wayside

Fwiw, Felix did apologize for his dumb posts and mentioned how he's bad at reacting:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse/comments/6oc45o/im_a_chapo_fan_but_this_is_not_great_right/dkglzpx/

are you bigger than a bread line?

― President Keyes, Thursday, July 20, 2017 2:45 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I laughed

I think this is the first time I've seen any of them apologize for anything

(that was definitely a good time to apologize)

I know it's a deep cut but it's hard think of Felix as a homophobe after hearing his solo Les Misrables episode. Sure, that tweet was bad and he sometimes his schtick blurs the Bro/ironic Bro line too much but I don't think it goes a lot further.

the Les Mis thing was one of my faves. I wish they'd do more earnest appreciations of things

that washington post article barely mentions the 2008 financial collapse until the second to last paragraph. you want to know why millennials are down on capitalism? its because their formative experience with it was watching it spectacularly fail, hurt a fuck ton of people, saw the people who were responsible for it totally bailed out and people who had nothing to do with it slapped with crushing austerity.

The trend has always been younger people feeling something similar to this (the New Left was as anti-capitalist as the Dirtbag Left) but they eventually shift rightward over time as they get good jobs and start families and so on, so I don't think the opinions of young people are all that different from previous generations. Whether this generation will see the economic recovery/shift of those slacker nogoodnik Gen Xers who became just like their parents is the big question - or will it just remain shitty overall and keep them favorable to leftist ideologies?

I agree with all that, nothing new under the sun. But what I do see, just anecdotally, is a shift back toward a young left that really wants to understand and engage in politics and not just rally and disrupt.

lol wait that felix apology is for an entirely different thing than the Frum tweet

I think he mentions it in the thread

that washington post article barely mentions the 2008 financial collapse until the second to last paragraph. you want to know why millennials are down on capitalism? its because their formative experience with it was watching it spectacularly fail, hurt a fuck ton of people, saw the people who were responsible for it totally bailed out and people who had nothing to do with it slapped with crushing austerity.
The trend has always been younger people feeling something similar to this (the New Left was as anti-capitalist as the Dirtbag Left) but they eventually shift rightward over time as they get good jobs and start families and so on, so I don't think the opinions of young people are all that different from previous generations. Whether this generation will see the economic recovery/shift of those slacker nogoodnik Gen Xers who became just like their parents is the big question - or will it just remain shitty overall and keep them favorable to leftist ideologies?

― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:10 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the thing with millennials (or at least my cohort of old millennials) is that it seems we are actually not going to have as good jobs as our parents (or Gen X), we're not going to necessarily own our own homes, our jobs will be more precarious and we will change them more often, we're going to retire later and die sooner. we're going to be the first generation that is worse off than the one before it in living memory.

otoh have read things that the generation after millennials are seeming to be quite right-wing and not as attached to democratic and liberal ideas :/

slacker nogoodnik Gen Xers who became just like their parents

wait waht

we're going to be the first generation that is worse off than the one before it in living memory

AHEM

feelin like I gotta push back on some misconceptions about my generation here

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I'm late X or XY cusp or whatever, so my generation too.

Xennial or Oregon Trail Generation can fuck right off tho

Every stereotypical thing ppl trot out about Millenials - that they're lazy/directionless/distracted, that their economics prospects suck, that they're reliant on their parents - was originally levelled at Generation X (and, if you dig back far enough, at boomers too).

But the fact is the Boomers reaped the benefits of the massive post-war boom, ate the world, and left the rest of us to swim in their shit. Gen X's economic prospects declined relative to Boomers, and Millenials' have declined likewise. Gen Xers have higher salaries relative to Boomers when they were the same age, but have fewer assets and greater debt. Millenials have even less, given that they haven't started saving money and can't buy houses etc.

On a personal level, at this point in my life my parents had owned three houses, half a dozen cars, had substantial savings for their childrens' college educations, and were getting by on two salaries. I own one house, which I only managed to get (very luckily) through a municipal gov't low-income housing program lottery, we have one car for my family of 4, are getting by on just my one salary, and our savings are meager to non-existent. My parents lived in the 'burbs, I live in a substantially different urban environment. I would not say it is accurate that I "became just like my parents".

That was my point about "slacker no-goodnik" Gen Xers. They were attacked similarly, but eventually fell into line.

That you didn't turn out just like your parents doesn't mean the generation as a whole didn't come to resemble the Boomers more than the early '90s version was thought to be headed - and appears to be headed toward more traditional success than the following generation. Could a millennial you buy a house in SF under any circumstances today?

well the housing program I got our house through is much bigger + still active so I would say yeah, but like I said I basically won a lottery.

although I was, let's see, 35 when I bought my house? Are people that are 35 now millenials? that doesn't seem right but idk

Yeah 35 is old millennial.

anyway my point with my comparison with my parents is that I a) live a much more frugal lifestyle and b) have fewer assets, less savings, and higher debt

xp

I got reminded today how happy I am that CTH is guiding listeners to DSA and not the Green party.

interesting to see New Republic article about CTH filtering through my feed -- people my age (mid-40s) who are super-lefty, queer, long-time activists, are like "have you ever heard of this thing?" And I think if I weren't on ILX I probably wouldn't have heard of it either (though I do see things on Twitter which, thanks to this feed, I know to be "dirtbag style" if not literally Chapo.)

That was my point about "slacker no-goodnik" Gen Xers. They were attacked similarly, but eventually fell into line.

― El Tuomasbot (milo z)

for this "slacker no-goodnik gen x-er" translate "fell into line" as "figured out how to cope with crippling mental illness". not all of my friends were so fortunate.

Sessions is easily one of the most evil people alive so it's going to be funny to see The Resistance defend his honor when he's shitcanned

— Will 🐋 Menaker (@willmenaker) July 25, 2017

post it and be legends man

Sessions is easily one of the most evig people alive, so the important thing here is clearly that some libruls look forlish.

I'm more on these guys side than not; no idea what the hell happened to me in here. I'm probably just going to check out of politics.

*more

That woman did not accept Felix' apology, btw. Seems he lied about her having blocked him to get out of apologizing directly to her.

This guy called it a few minutes before..

Viral shitpost, prediction: "lmao libs freakin' love Jeff Sessions now."

— Charles Davis (@charliearchy) July 25, 2017

the New Comey

lol can you imagine

That woman did not accept Felix' apology, btw. Seems he lied about her having blocked him to get out of apologizing directly to her.

She also requested that she be compensated directly

(as in "oh it's nice that you made a donation but it's me you slighted")

lol u think she wanted that patreon lucre?

the actual tweet (there's a whole thread for more context, also contains the block denial Fred mentioned)

So while I'm glad to see Felix feels obliged to donate to an org, how about also making a donation to me, the human being he harmed?

— Melissa McEwan (@Shakestweetz) July 24, 2017

Yeah, the harassment he caused hurt her financially, and he wasn't even going to let her decide the charity?

it hurt her financially?

(i don't know about any harassment beyond that screenshot linked upthread, genuinely curious)

read the thread

The financial-pain argument seems a little tenuous to me. I can't imagine she didn't get an uptick in donations from (rightly!) offended sympathizers to at the very least offset the added labor.

"Has his mockery of me created more work for me in the form of documenting abuse, reporting, and moderation at my site? Yes it has."

how does this hurt her financially? Felix's tweet is indefensible, and he absolutely should've apologized to her directly, but I don't understand how she was hurt financially.

People REALLY can't get over how much money they're making!

I'm not that surprised he apparently shirked from direct engagement tbh, he seems extremely uncomfortable dealing with people directly and unironically (not a defense, just an observation)

As a fellow freelancer, having to take time out due to shit like this is definitely a financial hit.

Menaker's tweet above is pretty bad, an example of "you just have to figure out who's good and who's bad, and if something bad happens to someone who's bad, that's good" politics that I think of these guys as mostly above?

I mean, people who are worried about this are saying "what do we gain, besides Sessions Sadface, if one evil racist is replaced by another at DoJ, plus Trump establishes and Congress meekly accepts that any attempt to hold him or his family to account will be quashed by the full power of the state?" It's pretty dumb to equate that with "defending the honor of Jeff Sessions."

(and btw I'm not even wholly on board with the viewpoint in the first quote above, just saying -- be better.)