Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Wasn't the kid a girl?

And, of course, the kids discovering Miriam crawling out of the bushes reminded me of Dorothy Vallens dazed on the lawn in Blue Velvet, and Ronette Pulaski wandering down the tracks dazed and beaten in season 1, and David Lynch's story about his own childhood. Watching The Art Life documentary recently really rammed home how just how much his childhood and early adulthood colours his work.

that shot was so strange and unexpected at first I thought the kid was like materializing from the lodge dimension or something, the way he slid up from the seat and then lurched over her, so fucking creepy

Isn't that what happened? That's 100% what I thought happened, did it not?

I think she was lying on the floor in front of the seat

So many kids in this too - the three at the beginning this ep, the gun kid, the sick girl, sonny jim, the kid who got run over, 119 lady's son. The original had little Nicky & the tremond boy & that's it. Donnie from bv and the eraserhead baby are the only other examples I can think of from Lynch's career.

Oh and sailor & Lula's son I guess

Zombie girl was lying with her back and head on the seat, her feet on the floor, in shadow but still visible once you know to look.

Roberto could you explain the insurance thing in detail, step by step, for those of us who are slow.

So many kids in this too

yeah I thought I'd mentioned this earlier, the preponderance of kids as mute witnesses/victims, it's pretty striking

i think i saw in the credits that one of the baseball kids had the last name "frost," presumably they are related to mark frost

was anybody else thrown by the opening shot of the kids, with the camera following the ball? I didn't see that it was three kids playing pickle at first, thought kids were getting swapped out mid-shot somehow

i think i saw in the credits that one of the baseball kids had the last name "frost," presumably they are related to mark frost

― na (NA), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:25 (twelve minutes ago)

Mark Frost's son was the oldest of the kids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faSGNtf45rg

preserved on youtube if anyone loves to relive trauma

haha, i like how that youtube still perfectly captures bobby's investigation face. time for bobby to investigate the scene. *bobby stares at stuff*

Can't believe people are theorizing, sometimes quipping, that Candie is Laura/a lodge spirit/on drugs/a spy/a robot/whatevs when she is that rare case of someone, be it on TV or irl, who engages with the world in a relatable and sustainable way D':

what is it we're not getting about insurance fraud?
the two obvious cases are paying out to cover fraudulent claims, and denying claims that are legitimate

Tony (Sizemore), when called out by Cooper ("he's lying") was talking about how they needed to pay out a couple claims -- presumably they were fake and he's getting a kickback. The second part was denying the claim that the Mitchum brothers had and claiming it was arson. Presumably Tony's criminal contacts (that Duncan guy who has ordered hits) have it out for the Mitchums and wanted it denied.

candie. candie?

http://i.imgur.com/rZKMxMN.png

CANDIE

i definitely agree that she is a 'sensitive' now that we've had cooper cocks head raptly to piano tone/candie cocks head raptly to piano tone

Candie's empathetic yeah but I don't feel she has any connection to lodge/etc. personally.

candie is the greatest character in television history so she need be nothing more or less than what she already is

agreed

cosign

so true. i've been getting all depressed thinking about how she's so great in this and how great it would be to see her in a major role in another lynch thing down the road and then realizing there probably won't be another lynch thing down the road.

this is a great interview btw, prob what wins was alluding to a few days ago

http://www.vulture.com/2017/07/twin-peaks-amy-shiels-on-her-tragic-backstory-for-candie.html

Can't believe people are theorizing, sometimes quipping, that Candie is Laura/a lodge spirit/on drugs/a spy/a robot/whatevs when she is that rare case of someone, be it on TV or irl, who engages with the world in a relatable and sustainable way D':

I just said this like an hour ago: she is the Xander

who is the bez and who is the xander: movie dept

Wally is the Bez

realizing there probably won't be another lynch thing down the road.

:-/ it's true. but at least it feels like he's using this opportunity to basically do every last thing he wants to do. it really seems like he took full advantage of the creative freedom and 18 hours of time to just do EVERYTHING

that is an excellent interview

air conditioners!

it's also good to hear about Sizemore doing ok, I know he's had some rough times

ah jeez, I just read about his recent history, it's uh... nice he was reasonable to the TP cast

Haha yeah I was gonna say...

(Thank you mh for humoring me with obv insurance explanation)

wasn't expecting to see a "and in 2017.." addendum there at the end :/

I don't really know anything about Sizemore or his issues

he gets messed up on any drugs he can find and hits his girlfriend, generally

He played an undercover cop in the film Swindle opposite Sherilyn Fenn. In 2004, he starred in Paparazzi.

In 2006, he starred in The Genius Club, playing a terrorist who taunts seven geniuses into solving the world's problems in one night.

Ah shit, poor guy

oh xp there's worse, haven't got to that bit yet

So Sizemore will probably go on the long list of actors whose final professional work was in a Lynch project (because he sounds basically unemployable).

Candie being relatable/Candie being from the Lodge aren't exclusive btw.

xp he has bit parts in something like a dozen movies already in post-production to come out this year or next, but they're all b-movie style productions

refer to my previous post about Lodge associates - they've all been linked v explicitly in this series, generally the show hasn't trafficked in the kind bait-and-switch ("this apparently normal person is from the Black Lodge! SURPRISE!") people are going for re: Candie

I don't think everyone unusual has to be from the lodge (actually I kinda do think that but not in the way ppl seem to be suggesting)

The old waiter being a Lodge Person was exactly that kind of twist though

my other theory (the interview makes the whole "she's a mole in the organization" theory seem bad) is that the lodge has been subtly manipulating people, like the Belushi Mitchum having a dream about the desert scene, and their influence has a bleed-over effect. Candie, already being kind of.. absent.. is seriously getting messed up where other people brush it off

generally the show hasn't trafficked in the kind bait-and-switch ("this apparently normal person is from the Black Lodge! SURPRISE!") people are going for re: Candie

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:36 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Um, Leland Palmer.

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/twin-peaks-part-13-14-15-16-titles/

if they give mccain a standing ovation as he votes in favor of fucking over his country i'm going to garmonbozia all over my computer

It's possible, even likely, that Candie's resemblance to Dougie-Dale will be a gold shovel/Nez Perce Manufacturing-style red herring joke, but the show has established pretty well that it could go the other, more spooky, more resonant way just as easily.

Um, Leland Palmer.

eh idk this is kind of a different deal than in the Return, cuz in the original series the black lodge/BOB stuff was gradually filled in, so something like Leland telling the story about "Robertson" flicking matches at him as a little boy and asking if he wants to play with fire are clear alarm bells/connections, but only in the proper context. Viewers already have that context in the Return.

idk if that makes my point clearly

whoops, wrong thread (sorta)

Lynch &a Frost knew well before the second season that Leland was the killer and he had a connection to Bob, fire etc. They told Jennifer Lynch before she wrote her book.

I'm not sure I understand your point though. If you're not saying they made it up as they went along, then why can't they gradually fill in info here as a preplanned narrative strategy?

why can't they gradually fill in info here as a preplanned narrative strategy?

I guess they could but it would mean that they would link a certain vacuous spaciness explicitly to the Lodge and I just don't see the point/it seems like a tenuous connection at best. Plus The Return hasn't really been so much about piecing together subtle/strange clues, most of it (fingernail/yrev bit aside and discussed earlier) has been very straightforward.