Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Can't believe people are theorizing, sometimes quipping, that Candie is Laura/a lodge spirit/on drugs/a spy/a robot/whatevs when she is that rare case of someone, be it on TV or irl, who engages with the world in a relatable and sustainable way D':

what is it we're not getting about insurance fraud?
the two obvious cases are paying out to cover fraudulent claims, and denying claims that are legitimate

Tony (Sizemore), when called out by Cooper ("he's lying") was talking about how they needed to pay out a couple claims -- presumably they were fake and he's getting a kickback. The second part was denying the claim that the Mitchum brothers had and claiming it was arson. Presumably Tony's criminal contacts (that Duncan guy who has ordered hits) have it out for the Mitchums and wanted it denied.

candie. candie?

http://i.imgur.com/rZKMxMN.png

CANDIE

i definitely agree that she is a 'sensitive' now that we've had cooper cocks head raptly to piano tone/candie cocks head raptly to piano tone

Candie's empathetic yeah but I don't feel she has any connection to lodge/etc. personally.

candie is the greatest character in television history so she need be nothing more or less than what she already is

agreed

cosign

so true. i've been getting all depressed thinking about how she's so great in this and how great it would be to see her in a major role in another lynch thing down the road and then realizing there probably won't be another lynch thing down the road.

this is a great interview btw, prob what wins was alluding to a few days ago

http://www.vulture.com/2017/07/twin-peaks-amy-shiels-on-her-tragic-backstory-for-candie.html

Can't believe people are theorizing, sometimes quipping, that Candie is Laura/a lodge spirit/on drugs/a spy/a robot/whatevs when she is that rare case of someone, be it on TV or irl, who engages with the world in a relatable and sustainable way D':

I just said this like an hour ago: she is the Xander

who is the bez and who is the xander: movie dept

Wally is the Bez

realizing there probably won't be another lynch thing down the road.

:-/ it's true. but at least it feels like he's using this opportunity to basically do every last thing he wants to do. it really seems like he took full advantage of the creative freedom and 18 hours of time to just do EVERYTHING

that is an excellent interview

air conditioners!

it's also good to hear about Sizemore doing ok, I know he's had some rough times

ah jeez, I just read about his recent history, it's uh... nice he was reasonable to the TP cast

Haha yeah I was gonna say...

(Thank you mh for humoring me with obv insurance explanation)

wasn't expecting to see a "and in 2017.." addendum there at the end :/

I don't really know anything about Sizemore or his issues

he gets messed up on any drugs he can find and hits his girlfriend, generally

He played an undercover cop in the film Swindle opposite Sherilyn Fenn. In 2004, he starred in Paparazzi.

In 2006, he starred in The Genius Club, playing a terrorist who taunts seven geniuses into solving the world's problems in one night.

Ah shit, poor guy

oh xp there's worse, haven't got to that bit yet

So Sizemore will probably go on the long list of actors whose final professional work was in a Lynch project (because he sounds basically unemployable).

Candie being relatable/Candie being from the Lodge aren't exclusive btw.

xp he has bit parts in something like a dozen movies already in post-production to come out this year or next, but they're all b-movie style productions

refer to my previous post about Lodge associates - they've all been linked v explicitly in this series, generally the show hasn't trafficked in the kind bait-and-switch ("this apparently normal person is from the Black Lodge! SURPRISE!") people are going for re: Candie

I don't think everyone unusual has to be from the lodge (actually I kinda do think that but not in the way ppl seem to be suggesting)

The old waiter being a Lodge Person was exactly that kind of twist though

my other theory (the interview makes the whole "she's a mole in the organization" theory seem bad) is that the lodge has been subtly manipulating people, like the Belushi Mitchum having a dream about the desert scene, and their influence has a bleed-over effect. Candie, already being kind of.. absent.. is seriously getting messed up where other people brush it off

generally the show hasn't trafficked in the kind bait-and-switch ("this apparently normal person is from the Black Lodge! SURPRISE!") people are going for re: Candie

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:36 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Um, Leland Palmer.

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/twin-peaks-part-13-14-15-16-titles/

if they give mccain a standing ovation as he votes in favor of fucking over his country i'm going to garmonbozia all over my computer

It's possible, even likely, that Candie's resemblance to Dougie-Dale will be a gold shovel/Nez Perce Manufacturing-style red herring joke, but the show has established pretty well that it could go the other, more spooky, more resonant way just as easily.

Um, Leland Palmer.

eh idk this is kind of a different deal than in the Return, cuz in the original series the black lodge/BOB stuff was gradually filled in, so something like Leland telling the story about "Robertson" flicking matches at him as a little boy and asking if he wants to play with fire are clear alarm bells/connections, but only in the proper context. Viewers already have that context in the Return.

idk if that makes my point clearly

whoops, wrong thread (sorta)

Lynch &a Frost knew well before the second season that Leland was the killer and he had a connection to Bob, fire etc. They told Jennifer Lynch before she wrote her book.

I'm not sure I understand your point though. If you're not saying they made it up as they went along, then why can't they gradually fill in info here as a preplanned narrative strategy?

why can't they gradually fill in info here as a preplanned narrative strategy?

I guess they could but it would mean that they would link a certain vacuous spaciness explicitly to the Lodge and I just don't see the point/it seems like a tenuous connection at best. Plus The Return hasn't really been so much about piecing together subtle/strange clues, most of it (fingernail/yrev bit aside and discussed earlier) has been very straightforward.

was anybody else thrown by the opening shot of the kids, with the camera following the ball? I didn't see that it was three kids playing pickle at first, thought kids were getting swapped out mid-shot somehow

yup, same

I wish Dana Ashbrook had gotten more work over the years since TP, he's weirdly moving in this.

So looks like I was wrong about the garage doors. There were some in the background (see here https://media.giphy.com/media/f6LrjTm5WtcvS/giphy.gif
) but the ones with Jack are blue and the background appears urban.

my gif has come in

People in this thread are really emphasizing the drug use as like a major plot point, but it just seems like background color to me. I'm having a hard time seeing how, like, the Vegas junkie mom has anything to do with the larger narrative

I wasn't emphasizing it as a plot point, it's more of a broader theme (along with children, doddering old people, etc.)

it is kinda weird to me that we've been shown a lot of young-people-behaving-badly and yet there isn't a single character in the younger generation who could conceivably be called a protagonist (except maybe lol Tammy?)

I'm not sure how old Tammy is supposed to be, although probably early 30s?

iirc Chrysta Bell is 38 or 39

I do think the drugs are central to the mystery. They seem to be a common link to whatever is currently afflicting the town of Twin Peaks. Red appears to be the ultimate TP drug source and he also seems to have some kind of mystical power that's perhaps tied to the evil forces Hawk spelled out on his map.

yeah idk how old Tammy is I was just struck by the fact that all the protagonists (Hawk, Dooper, Gordon, Albert, Truman, Bobby) are old guys. in the previous series it felt like there was more of a mix between the old pros and the younger generation (James, Audrey, Bobby to a lesser extent)

Yeah this is a major break from the original show, where part of the appeal was definitely high school intrigue and teenage rebels (the only times these motifs have been reintroduced in The Return it was to satirize them, a la Wally or "James has always been cool.") Makes sense that a sequel that's mostly about aging and loss and the passage of time wouldn't try to shoehorn in a new cast of cool kids just for the hell of it, but it would have been interesting to see at least a subplot or two from the perspective of Amanda Seyfried

One of the problems with Richard Horne, for instance, is that he exists almost completely independent of everybody else on the show. He appears from time to time and does something awful or terrorizes somebody, but we haven't seen him share more than one scene with any other reoccurring character. Given the importance he apparently is going to play, it might have been interesting to at least see how he fits into the fabric of the town, and how people who aren't being assaulted by him (presumably there must be some) view him and interact with him

my gif has come in

i made one way upthread but i was kinda drunk and i made it way too small

Just seen this. Fuck. AND read three bazillion replies on here. FUCK.

Hawk, can yu hear me?
Yes Margaret.
Hawk, can you HEAR me?
Yes Margaret.

This broke my heart.

Didn't seem like he knew who or where he was yet, but he clearly turned a corner. First time speaking his own words; regained normal motor function, regained his old spark and started acting like his old self. Seemed like the big awakening scene we've been waiting seven episodes for

― Evan R, Monday, July 24, 2017 3:02 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I did not get the feeling of awakening *at all*. I don't understand why so many ppl on here are going on about this. He was his usual Dougie: completely steered and driven by others, repeating some phrases etc. I saw not an iota of awakening in any sense.

Most shocking thing in this episode was that terrible version of Viva Las Vegas

― na (NA), Monday, July 24, 2017 3:03 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Jeez Louise, aint that the truth. That was terrible.

Shelly on the car omg

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, July 24, 2017 3:22 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And a ~red shoe~ flying through the air as she was blown off the hood!

for some reason the honking was even more disturbing to me, or at least just as much. it was all disturbing. i don't know why i had it turned up on the headphones. O_O

― Karl Malone, Monday, July 24, 2017 5:10 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hell yes, this was sooooo disturbing. Pressed all my wrong buttons and the honking just wouldn't *stop*. Traumatic.