I think his behaviour is exactly the same - he's keyed into various emotional wavelengths a few times already - but the scene itself felt like there was a little more magic surrounding him than usual. On a pure plot level there's obv more vegas to go, with the detectives fusco running the prints, Anthony still to deal with, and Chantal & Hutch on the way
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 06:45 (six years ago) link
xxp obvious repetition is obviously my obvious tiredness
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 07:08 (six years ago) link
The honking scene is still killing me though. For someone prone to anxiety and noise like me, it was absolutely brutal.
Yeah, just as I was finally moved to shout "will you shut the fuck up" the chief honker became the focus of the drama, which disarmed me.
― Alba, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:26 (six years ago) link
i liked how her cries after the girl was puking seemed to be the same length as her previous honks
― nxd, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:29 (six years ago) link
xxxp Johnny Crunch: 'Bad Taste' was what I thouht of when I saw Lillard's head:
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― ArchCarrier, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 12:06 (six years ago) link
watching back that final scene, dale only repeats what the mitchum brother said ("damn good", as wins pointed out), but dale puts a uniquely dale emphasis on the word "damn". that's why it feels more like an authentic expression than his usual parroting.
― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 12:49 (six years ago) link
Guys, what if Cooper's just been fooling this whole time and next episode he just looks up all clear-eyed and alert and goes 'Sike, guys. Sike. It was a goof.'
― Chock Full of Love and Sexy Feeling (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 12:51 (six years ago) link
and he even pauses and has a clear realisation, briefly, before going back to the pie. ultimately it means fuck-all (he did the same thing with the coffee nine weeks ago) but at least it's a respite.
xp it wouldn't surprise me at all if lynch/frost pulled something unexpected and bizarre with dale at this point
― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 12:54 (six years ago) link
…by that i mean he might not "snap out of it" at all, and all these stimuli might be a red herring. something else altogether could bring him back (i'm still putting a few bucks on a reunited urSkek dale)
― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 12:56 (six years ago) link
What if Dale is actually Laura?
― Chock Full of Love and Sexy Feeling (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 12:57 (six years ago) link
sometimes his arms bend back (insert dale in the glass box here, cbf finding a jpg)
― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 12:59 (six years ago) link
Just realized that the final two hours are airing the weekend before my birthday. I was planning to take some time off and do something constructive and maybe that 'something constructive' will be rewatching sixteen hours of Twin Peaks.
― Chock Full of Love and Sexy Feeling (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 13:07 (six years ago) link
Because things like the glass box feel like a distant memory at this point.
Yeah I'm really feeling the idea of a rewatch from the beginning at this point.
― or at night (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 13:14 (six years ago) link
have rewatched only the first 3 episodes, and they were hugely helpful as far as reminding me of plot points that only really make sense later
― Dominique, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 13:16 (six years ago) link
when hastings has his head torn open, he's the only one in the scene who's visibly afraid. perhaps fear is the reason he was targeted by the woodsman.
when sam & tracy are mauled in episode 1, they're about to fuck (love) when the experiment appears in the box (was she drawn there by love?), and their love quickly turns to fear.
briggs talked about love and fear in series 2, so i think this is going somewhere.
― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 13:29 (six years ago) link
oh fuck, and dale & audrey will meet and fall in love, and the experiment will attack them! UH OH
― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 13:34 (six years ago) link
As far as Candie goes, people kept talking about her actress (like 'Amy Shiels' character') - is there amnything I should recognise her from? Or that anyone knows her from?
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 13:40 (six years ago) link
No, fans mainly seemed to know her name because there was so much speculation about the announced cast list and she stood out on social media.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 13:50 (six years ago) link
Ah, cool. I was just puzzled by why everyone knew her (unless they are big fans of the Final Fantasy movie, I guess).
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 13:54 (six years ago) link
she did a handful of interviews talking about how she was enthused to have a big role and we kind of dismissed it as someone who has a short resume being thrilled to be in a scene or two
― mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 14:37 (six years ago) link
Plus there's that thing where if you're acting in, say, a Lynch or Malick project, it's probably best to wait until you've seen the finished product before telling friends and family about your big break.
― Chock Full of Love and Sexy Feeling (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 14:40 (six years ago) link
There are some fascinating posts throughout this thread about Dougie and dementia.
One of the things that happens often with dementia is that people around the affected person, through projection and interpretation, persistently find ways to believe the incapacitated person is still making sense. The extent to which Janey-E, Bushnell, and others all read Dougie's echolalia and other weird behavior as reasonable and goal-directed sharpens both the comedy and the pathos of the situation.
What's just struck me is how we as viewers of the show are being pushed into the same pattern, scrutinizing all Dougie's actions and speech for signs that good old Coop is on the way back, and sometimes even finding those signs where they might not exist.
I'd like to see Dale Cooper recover himself, but I'm no longer impatient with Dougie or assuming his story will move in that direction. In some ways, thanks to MacLachlan's astonishing performance, Dougie has started to feel more real than Dale.
The way Frost and Lynch are building the story around the absence of Dale Cooper feels different from anything else I've seen on TV -- much stranger than the way the original show was built around the absence of Laura.
― Brad C., Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:03 (six years ago) link
Good post.
I can't even remember which recap it was but I read somewhere how 'The Return' in the title can be read as something ominous now, what with Coop trying to return to himself/the lodge.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link
Also Dougie's habit of repeating the last two or three words he hears out of some realisation, yet it also being an actual, accepted social conduct in real life to affirm what the other person was saying, is infectious. I've not done this out loud yet, but - say at work - when a co-worker says something stupid of w/e I repeat the last words in my head. Damnit.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:11 (six years ago) link
One of the things that happens often with dementia is that people around the affected person, through projection and interpretation, persistently find ways to believe the incapacitated person is still making sense.
This is so incredibly true, especially if the person with dementia is in the same surroundings that the person they're interacting with is used to seeing them in. You see all the extensions of the person they used to be, like their home, clothing, possessions, and everything seems to make sense so you overlook the fact the person is missing.
― mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:13 (six years ago) link
Great post brad c
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:25 (six years ago) link
Ok, one dumbass question: every episode Laura Palmer is in the credits. We basically only see her in the opening sequence, never anywhere else. Yet she is always in on the credit roll. Is this standard practise or another hint?
I've always seen this as an homage to her importance in the series. The credits have also done this frequently with Frank Silva, as BOB, even when an episode just uses his likeness instead of archival footage. I believe they've done this with Don Davis as Briggs, too. I think it's kind of sweet, a way of honoring those characters and actors and making them feel like a part of the show and this world, even if they aren't actually on screen
(seconding the love for Brad's points, too; they are are spot on)
― Evan R, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:33 (six years ago) link
Thank you Brad.
I still think it's legit to criticize the decision to make post-Lodge symptoms resemble dementia, but the actual portrayal, and the patience required to comprehend it, is so true to the condition and so affecting it's kind of beyond aesthetic judgement, for me.
This is not unrelated to my investment in Candie also being a Lodge character.
― sciatica, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:36 (six years ago) link
Ty Evan. I do think crediting her even when she's not actually in the episode (apart from the opening theme) is a good thing. A homage, as you say, or just a reminder: she/her ghost/her story is what got us here.
(I just can't help thinking sometimes "wow shit did I miss a new appearance?!" seeing it when the credits roll. Like Alicia Witt last week :))
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:39 (six years ago) link
Sciatica, I'd def not be surprised by that re: Candie. Though it might be too on the nose?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link
I'm the guy sitting there who immediately points to the screen and says in my Dougie voice"Alicia Witt"
― mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:41 (six years ago) link
Haha
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link
I completely failed to notice who she was with, I was so focused
― mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:44 (six years ago) link
Dang. It was the exact opposite for me.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link
I agree, it's absolutely legitimate to raise that criticism. Some of the dementia scenes have felt just as raw to me as Richard's violence. If I were to describe them to a non-viewer, I'm pretty sure they'd sound exploitative and tasteless, but so far that's not the way I'm responding to what we're seeing on the screen.
― Brad C., Wednesday, 26 July 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
I think a big part of it is we're invited not just to laugh at the absurdity of his situation (and people's response to him), but also to empathize with his obvious distress. This is still a character we care about, and he's in pain
― Evan R, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link
the look of pain and anguish on his face while in bed with janey-e will haunt me
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:19 (six years ago) link
Just announced: @MetrographNYC series inspired by #TwinPeaks instant-classic Episode 8 pic.twitter.com/YLXhydBGxt— Screen Slate (@ScreenSlate) July 25, 2017
― Number None, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 17:54 (six years ago) link
v cool
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
in my excessive enthusing in the wake of Ep 8 i remember telling people that they'd just it in theaters some day. didn't think it would happen as the season is still in progress!
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link
There's a cinema in Brighton that showed the entire run of the original series over a weekend (I couldn't go to it but I totally would), I really hope somewhere does the same for this. I wouldn't hesitate to get tickets.
Btw I just remembered that Cooper said "damn good joe" in the elevator the first time he went to work, so this episode isn't even the first time he's said that particular catchphrase lol
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 19:20 (six years ago) link
Starts a bit slow and you may wonder why it's posted in this thread but hang in there:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSfpA3AEKmY
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 22:32 (six years ago) link
I've never seen it but this was the last project that Lynch was involved in prior to Twin Peaks.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
...Season 3.
To echo what people were saying upthread re: the schedule change: I watched the first episode of GoT shortly after watching TP, it all seemed so pointless, a made up thing with no ideas and the surprises were merely plot mechanics.
― I'm make-believe. (jed_), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link
lynch is in the new harry dean movie too
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:08 (six years ago) link
yeah and that looks genuinely good
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:13 (six years ago) link
that's really interesting. hard to think there wasn't some influence in there on the dougie character, and episode 8.
― akm, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:24 (six years ago) link
Has john carroll lynch ever been in a David Lynch thing? He'd be perfect.
― I'm make-believe. (jed_), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link