Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

also thanks brad c for your thorough explanation of dementia. it's not something i've ever had to face head-on, so your post really helped me contextualise the whole dougieverse.

Of all things, the recent wolverine movie did ok with dementia (although actually drug induced) and TP has hit the other side, the post-angry absence. I’ve had relatives hit that point in recent years

A few scenes in this could be straight out of conversations I had in my mom's dementia nursing home.

Dougie's love of coffee and now cherry pie are such beloved series touchstones introduced from such an askew angle that isn't at all fan service-y, that it got me wondering for the first time if Audrey might happen to encounter him in Las Vegas, and that given the Giant's mention of Richard to him could be part of the reason he emerged there.

Either that or Audrey's only appearance will involve her being terrorized by Richard or otherwise miserable, and people will be pissed off.

Fenn's role is probably smaller than planned because she refused to sign on until way into the production; she was openly critical on social media at the time re pay offer & the like (also possibly, ironically, the size of her part). She eventually came on board but all the location shooting had been done by then, so it's v possible there might have been Audrey scenes at the diner or wherever that had to be abandoned.

ah, so there might only be that one scene in which the experiment detects her love of dale and tears her skull open

Yeah I followed Sherilyn's public dispute at the time and it basically killed off most of the enthusiasm I had about her character returning.

I'm rewatching the original series piecemeal and I'm actually struck by how little cherry pie there is thus far (three eps into S2). When anybody eats pie it's almost invariably huckleberry - Eileen Hayward talks about how they're fully in season in S1 and the Bobby/Garland Briggs diner scene features Garland eulogising about how good the huckleberry pie is, as Coop does to Harry at one point and it's the pie he mentions to Diane on the tape. I think also (and I'd need to go back and check because it didn't occur to me until I started sensing a theme) when Cooper goes into the RR for the first time he asks Norma what pie is good and she serves him huckleberry. I'm actually pretty sure the only mention of cherry pie is Cooper saying when he first comes to town that he had a "damn fine" cherry pie on the way up from Deer Meadow (although obviously that's not how he refers to it).

I think this might all change when Gordon arrives and we will hit a fruit pivot then, but if not - is this a massive false memory? Or am I totally blanking on cherry mentions for reasons unknown?

Nah people just latched onto that one because it was in the famous introductory monologue I think (also Audrey did the cherry stem thing which probably helped)

Is he eating cherry pie in the scene where he learns about the Bookhouse Boys ("This must be where pies go when they die")?

Huckleberry pie there too.

Script: http://www.lynchnet.com/tp/tp03.html

Ed signals to Norma, she steps over to take Cooper's order.

TRUMAN
Agent Cooper, how would you like some fresh
huckleberry pie?

COOPER
I would love some huckleberry pie.
(for Norma's benefit)
Heated. Vanilla ice cream on the side. Coffee.

NORMA
Coming right up.

...

Just then: Norma arrives with Cooper's pie and coffee.

TRUMAN (CONTINUED)
Thank you, Norma.

NORMA
Enjoy.

Cooper digs in, gives Norma a hearty thumbs-up. Norma smiles, walks away.

COOPER
This must be where pies go when they die.

this adds weight to my theory that jackpots-dale is a deliberate response to the wider public impression that dale is that guy who loves cherry pie and coffee

If you follow the fb meme pages a lot of fans have really turned on fenn for stepping out of line back then & voicing her frustration (I think also there's a reaction against the more vociferous "where's Audrey" complainers) - people are saying things like "I hope we never see her", &c. I don't really get that, seems kinda lame to be offended by an actor complaining about low pay. Like the MJA thing was bad because he's a deranged nazi, not because he insisted on more money as is his right! Also I just don't care about this sort of drama - she tried the patented David Lynch negotiating tactic, Showtime called her bluff. She's said since that she's beyond happy with the material she was given, so I'm looking forward to seeing her

I wonder how much people were paid for their involvement

Apparently everyone apart from maclachlan worked for scale

wins otm, i don't understand people who get furious with an actor for not doing something that hasn't even existed yet. it's on par with people who attack a band for being late with that 7th album. who cares? listen to the six you've already got.

I read a contemporaneous review of OG TP whose entire description of Dale Cooper was 'food-obsessed FBI agent'. Which was way off-the-mark then but much less so today.

Cherry pie better fits the Twin Peaks name scheme where everything must be innuendo

Cooper should've started crying after taking that first bite, and then Badalamenti fades into some Warrant.

Huckleberries have a more quaint local association in Washington, since they grow everywhere here, wild huckleberry picking season is something a lot of people get really into, and when they're grown commercially it tends to be on smaller farms. Cherries are more associated with big eastern Washington agribusiness. Both would've been a big part of a Spokane valley childhood, but the emphasis on huckleberry pie in the original series was a nice local touch. If you ever eat at a small town diner in Washington, you really should go with the huckleberry (or blackberry) pie.

Interestingly, Hungry Horse, Montana, is famous for its wild huckleberries.

everyone else worked for scale, Kyle worked for coffee and a set of new suits

Re-watched 3 and 4 with my buddy last night and thought it was cool that the co-ordinates 253 were mentioned in episode 3 within the lodge.

The reference to the kid OD'ing at high school, chinese super drugs and Canada was weirdly OTM as well, given our fentanyl crisis

But 253 was a time in that episode, right? 2:53? Wasn't that the time when Bad Coop almost got sucked into the headphone jack of the car radio?

I'm hoping Chantal reappears so we can hear another reference to wetness

I definitely cracked up when her last scene ended with Tim Roth's character telling her to give Cooper "a big wet one" before she kissed him

Eephus, yeah, but interestingly enough 2:53 is the same time written on the note found in episode 9 FWIW

"My husband died in a fire. No one can know my sorrow. My love is gone. Yet, I feel him near me. Sometimes I can almost see him. At night when the wind blows, I think of what he might have been. Again I wonder: why? When I see a fire, I feel my anger rising. This was not a friendly fire. This was not a forest fire. It was a fire in the woods. This is all I am permitted to say."

Yeah 253 pays off almost immediately, but the arm does also say "time and time again" just after and sure enough it crops up a couple more times

I just watched the Searchers for the first time last night and my wife instantly spotted Senor Droolcup, which I was not expecting

this adds weight to my theory that jackpots-dale is a deliberate response to the wider public impression that dale is that guy who loves cherry pie and coffee

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 27 July 2017 10:52 (four hours ago) Permalink

Been biting my tongue every time you bring this up, but this is a very silly theory.

1. I don't think that is the widespread perception (he's the show's protagonist and has more screen time than anybody else; beyond his iconic traits he's a pretty well-rounded character, hence fans being so vested in him).

2. Even if for some reason Lynch and Frost were trying to comment on this—satirizing the decades-ago public response to their own creation—they'd have beaten any potential commentary into the ground 10x over by now. It's been nine episodes of this. So they shaped the driving narrative of a show 25 years in the making... to comment on the fact that some people think one of its characters is really into pie and coffee?

woah Michael Horse actually made the map from the last episode

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXBuamBDPkI

holy shit!

wow

that pic isn't of the map tho

please to know michael horse uses instagram as intended, to share pictures of your cat

yeah but he replies to a comment saying he made it xpost

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWRqatVjKv8/

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1. I don't think that is the widespread perception (he's the show's protagonist and has more screen time than anybody else; beyond his iconic traits he's a pretty well-rounded character, hence fans being so vested in him).

i'm not talking about fans' perception of dale cooper

So they shaped the driving narrative of a show 25 years in the making... to comment on the fact that some people think one of its characters is really into pie and coffee?

i didn't say that

I'm hoping Chantal reappears so we can hear another reference to wetness

I definitely cracked up when her last scene ended with Tim Roth's character telling her to give Cooper "a big wet one" before she kissed him

― mh, Friday, 28 July 2017 00:51 (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the water and this is the well, drink full and descend

loved the dinner scene at the end of this ep so much. i found some of the ep a bit hard work but that was so perfect, funny, strange, sad, beautiful music and colours. it's amazing how this show can still be so good.

btw people aren't just mad at Fenn about the pay stuff... she posted a bunch of questionable anti-feminist stuff during the women's march etc

the Tammi objectificaton in episode 4 is some cringey ass shit, probably one of my least fav moments

didn't realise until tonight that the soundtrack is on spotify: http://twin.pk/tp2017spotify

Dinner at the end of ep 11 seemed practically a Fellini homage

uh, in terms of lighting and camera work and stuff I mean

xpost

that's not the official soundtrack, it's just a playlist that someone made of the songs that have been used that are already on spotify

fuckin spotify

I downloaded Windswept today which I guess will kind of feel like a tp the return ost. Have not listened yet.

That Michael Horse thing is very pleasing.

This has a parallel in Coop-as-Dougie, I think:

https://mubi.com/lists/david-lynchs-favourite-films

"And finally, I would show Rear Window, for the brilliant way in which Alfred Hitchcock manages to create – or rather, re-create – a whole world with in confined parameters. James Steward never leaves his wheelchair during the film, and yet, through his point of view, we follow a very complex murder scheme."

lol @ no Vertigo