Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

when does it come out. gonna steal from b&n

jk.................. i dont shoplift

I keep wanting to hear that Street Fight Radio episode where they apparently discuss the ethics of shoplifting w/r/t automated checkouts but I'm not sure what ep it is

Tommy Vietor describing McCain as "9 parts hero, 1 part troll" on the live Pod Save America ep(feat. Joy Ann Reid!) makes me wonder if Beltway thinking exists in powder form that political staffers just snork down rails of for 4-8 years.

Felix was unusually restrained on Intercepted a couple weeks back, esp when discussing Saudi Arabia

latest Tim Faust ep good as always

yeah Faust's are some of the best/ most informative eps

Did Felix apologize on air for his rape joke or was he lying about doing that as well?

did he say he apologized on air? if so that is definitely a lie

I don't think he said he apologized on the show.

he didn't

[–]felixbiedermanFelix Biederman 86 point for 11 dage siden
she's had me blocked since before I made that dumbass reply, but yeah apologizing on air isn't a bad idea.

I took it to mean he was considering doing it on air, since he couldn't do it in person. But no, just two lies in one line.

considering doing something and then not doing it is not a lie Fred. shitty, yes. lie, no.

But do you really think he comsidered it?

I have no idea and neither do you

Although, no, let's drop it, it's not important. This piece of shit joked about a woman's rape, told people already sympathetic to him that he was sorry, but lied to avoid apologizing to her, and still hasn't apologized on his podcast. That's all I wanted to know.

Wouldn't it have been easier to just call him a piece of shit instead of playing dumb?

Yeah, but then you can't score points for yourself on the internet that way

I for one am shocked that a guy in his mid twenties who insults people for a living said a bad, shitty thing and didn't handle it well

Oh come on

Are you okay with his behaviour? Women are just going to have to accept this, because we need people to 'insult them for a living'?

By your logic, everyone who support CTH is paying for Felix to do stuff like this.

Yes it's one of the Patreon perks

I think it was dumb and bad and I've said so a couple times fred, you need self- flagellation pics or what?

By your logic

lol at using this particular phrase in an argument about felix

Are you giving him money to insult people, Simon?

yes, sure, absolutely. that is definitely what I meant.

Well are you? Are you still helping Felix 'insult people for a living', even though you seem unsurprised he would then go off and do shit like this? Are you knowingly enabling this behaviour?

http://i.imgur.com/0hQyd5L.gif

Actually, flappy bird, I want to ask you as well. You've written repeatedly that politics should be 'visceral and libidinal'. Are homophobia and rape jokes an acceptable part of libidinal politics?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HQfzwFloVqA/maxresdefault.jpg

Fred, why do you get so pissed?

sigh

the "insult" comment was only to say that CTH is approximately 50-60% a delivery device for insulting the pundit class + riffing on inside left twitter beef (though less of the latter of late). so no I don't think it's fair to say he gets paid to be a misogynist or whatever; he gets paid to help make a popular podcast which I do not believe to be misogynist. I was not referring to social media/outside-the-show stuff beyond that I imagine having a podcast like that be your principal job is bound to screw with your perceptions of Being Online and what's acceptable behavior and that's why I'm not super surprised something like this happened. did I enable the bad tweet by sending them five dollars? in a roundabout way, sure. I hope he is mortified by what happened and thinks more about who he's going off on online, but I still enjoy the podcast, albeit more for his co-hosts and their guests.

yeah it was a shitty tweet but what else can you expect from edgelords but edgelord tweeting?

if someone wants to setup a patreon so they can fly over and shit in fred's mouth i will happily contribute

Tommy Vietor describing McCain as "9 parts hero, 1 part troll" on the live Pod Save America ep(feat. Joy Ann Reid!) makes me wonder if Beltway thinking exists in powder form that political staffers just snork down rails of for 4-8 years.

― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Monday, July 31, 2017 4:48 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this wasn't his characterization, he was relating how McCain campaign staffers viewed Johnny Maverick.

Oh okay, that's a better read then

my mom started listening to chapo pic.twitter.com/UgCP5P7M2B

— Davestar.fm Bot ✨ (@davidmeirrobot) August 1, 2017

sadly, this thought has also occurred to me

Stylin' & profilin' in Chicago:

When you dress like an actual baby (photo & caption credit: Amber A'Lee Frost) pic.twitter.com/82aE6ZXmzR

— Chapo Trap House (@CHAPOTRAPHOUSE) August 4, 2017

lol amber

finally listened to the Dollop's Uber episode, that is some essential listening right there

the Uber, the Enron, and the Opioid eps make me want to murder

I'm with everybody who considers this a comedy podcast aimed at left prog dorks with expendable cash

anybody who thinks otherwise, like this is a movement thing, or anything more meaningful than The Daily Show circa 2004+, is a goddamned imbecile

I will also note, The Daily Show c. 2004 and on, did promulgate some worthwhile ideas, for worthwhile causes

It was still a talk show on late at night that catered to an audience, and nobody voted for it

I don't think anyone worth taking seriously thinks it's any more than an entertainment. (To keep the comparison going, just as Stewart always protested that he was doing a comedy show, these guys have repeatedly disavowed that listening/subscribing is a political act in any way). It has spurred some people to join DSA but that's about it.

since I'm on mobile and can't dig up the activism thread, I was heartened to see this making the rounds in lefty circles today

I've been thinking a lot lately about how we build socialism in a place like White Sulphur Springs, MT, population: 939.

— Erin G. 👩🏼‍🌾 (@ErinGoudreau) August 3, 2017

Part of that question is the extent to which socialists/leftists would have to engage with evangelical Christianity as it is today and how to do so without giving in on core issues like LGBTQ rights and abortion. Can you slip past it without engaging on those social issues until they've already begun to open up? Do you seek to use the leftist organizing as an alternative to the community of the church?

There are obvious models for this (Catholic Worker, etc.) but white, rural Protestantism is so far right it's a big hurdle.

(that town has five churches for 930 people and the surrounding area, four Protestant + 1 Catholic)

As both a lapsed Catholic and a Marxist I definitely feel how complex that hurdle is, hopefully the Catholic left (a small but real thing) can help out with messaging when it comes to communities like these

I don't think anyone worth taking seriously thinks it's any more than an entertainment. (To keep the comparison going, just as Stewart always protested that he was doing a comedy show, these guys have repeatedly disavowed that listening/subscribing is a political act in any way). It has spurred some people to join DSA but that's about it.

The argument about whether or Chapo is just entertainment or not strikes me as a symptom of general lunkheadedness among political types. (As an aside, I saw Ralph Nader talk at a college back in the 90s and he turned off the crowd by a tone deaf attack on Beavis and Butthead.) People are led to political consciousness in a myriad of ways. Surely there were teens who read an anti-war novel and ended up joining the Vietnam protest movement. That's not to say that writing a novel is a kind of "political organizing" just that anything can be political and influential. And I'm going to guess that cracking asshole jokes on Twitter and podcasts is going to reach more people than most actual protests will.

On a very related note, the DSA convention is livestreaming: http://www.dsausa.org/live