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Also - that border wall funding in the House appropriations bill will never make it through the Senate, where it will require 60 votes.

Xxp

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:02 (six years ago) link

Also CBP is a nightmare org

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:03 (six years ago) link

So the bill's been released and they're going to vote on it in...four hours?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:17 (six years ago) link

Right-wingers I have seen in the wild are bringing out three layers of response to the Scaramucci-New Yorker thing:

1. Didn't happen (what, you believe someone from the MEDIA?).

2. This is scripted, like wrestling, and Bannon's in on it. (Seriously posited by several people.)

3. Eh, let it play out, a brawling, indiscriminate wrecking ball is what is sorely needed in Washington.

okapi paste (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 28 July 2017 02:18 (six years ago) link

the hell does even mean? Conference committees reconcile legislation; they don't write it.

Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-SC), one of the ringleaders of the short-lived revolt, said around 9:30 p.m. ET that after speaking to House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) by phone he was convinced the House would agree to go to conference with the Senate to hammer out a bill.

“He said he doesn’t believe the skinny bill is good policy or good politics,” a weary Graham relayed to a large gaggle of reporters. “He doesn’t want to be the party that repeals part of Obamacare and leaves most of it in place. Paul sees the skinny bill as a vehicle to find a better solution.”

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 July 2017 02:19 (six years ago) link

Thread

Uh this is not a skinny repeal bill. The changes to the waivers here are huge.

— Paul McLeod (@pdmcleod) July 28, 2017

sciatica, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:21 (six years ago) link

i fucking hate this ben saassee guy. your not funny or clever or the "adult". fuck you.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 28 July 2017 02:27 (six years ago) link

you're

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 28 July 2017 02:27 (six years ago) link

i was watching chuck todd earlier today because i guess i hate myself, and he asked george will, basically, to name ANYONE in the republican party who wasn't an asshole. will thought for a moment and then said ben sasse and jeff flake.

Karl Malone, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:32 (six years ago) link

eat a dick, Will

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 28 July 2017 02:33 (six years ago) link

Gonna pass

Huckleberry lovin all the attention

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:33 (six years ago) link

so what is it? 3 "No" votes that stops it?

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 28 July 2017 02:36 (six years ago) link

do we have any sense of the timeline if/when it passes? does the house have to vote on anything before it goes to conference? is there any sort of deadline or can they basically hold off on a final vote until they are able to come to some sort of deal?

Karl Malone, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:36 (six years ago) link

Reassuring!

GOP aides say if "skinny repeal" passes the Senate, it's a "coin flip" whether it becomes law https://t.co/8dIBG2GRO0

— Axios (@axios) July 28, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:40 (six years ago) link

This is so fucking stupid

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:41 (six years ago) link

now they've done this, definitely expect to see war with iran soon

global tetrahedron, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:42 (six years ago) link

Nah

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:45 (six years ago) link

Dude knows what's up

.@ChrisMurphyCT explains how the #SkinnyRepeal bill that Senate GOP doesn't want to become law...will become law. A must watch. pic.twitter.com/uwgNKkP07n

— CAP Action (@CAPAction) July 28, 2017

Moodles, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:46 (six years ago) link

I've been trawling through all sorts of right-leaning Twitter feeds and nobody, absolutely nobody, is saying either the process works or, more importantly, the bill itself is any good. Obviously from a different angle, but they treat it as pointless garbage and its collective authors as weak morons. Kind of amazing.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:47 (six years ago) link

The collective response seems to be "We will own this in 2018 and we will be shredded at the ballot box, especially after we have to bail our way out of the disaster we're creating."

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:47 (six years ago) link

1) Raise premiums on people who actually vote
2) ?????
3) 2018 landslide victory https://t.co/QxvamwvnYx

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) July 28, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:49 (six years ago) link

That sounds weirdly realistic

Xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:49 (six years ago) link

Chris Murphy impressed me every time I see him.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 July 2017 02:50 (six years ago) link

All these GOP swing voted refusing to say how they will vote - even tho they've already decided - is not a good sign

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:51 (six years ago) link

did you guys ever see that "Alfred Hitchcock Presents" where Peter Lorre bets Steve McQueen over a series of cigarette-lighter ignitions, and if Lorre wins he can chop off Steve's thumb? That's where we are, only it's our head.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 July 2017 02:52 (six years ago) link

I'd support him in a Dem primary if he runs, he's wonky enough, strong stance against guns and he's the only Dem who reliably speaks out against our cozy relationship with the Saudi gov't

Many men scream death (voodoo chili), Friday, 28 July 2017 02:52 (six years ago) link

(it's a Roald Dahl story of course) xp

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 July 2017 02:53 (six years ago) link

that chris murphy video is kind of chilling. i hope he's wrong. if you're like me and don't really have a good idea of what he meant by "martial law", as applied to the house of representatives and the skinny bill, this info might be useful:

The House has invoked what’s known as “martial law”, which means that they have waived rules prohibiting same-day consideration, causing some critics to suspect that they intend to pass the skinny repeal as it stands. In an e-mail to fellow House Republicans obtained by Politico, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-California) wrote:

While last votes are currently scheduled to take place tomorrow, Members are advised that — pending Senate action on health care — the House schedule is subject to change. All Members should remain flexible in their travel plans over the next few days.

Molly Reynolds, a Brookings Institution fellow in governance studies, explained the process of enacting “martial law” and what it could mean:

When significant bills come to the floor of the House, they generally do so under what’s called a “special rule,” which dictates how long the bill will debate, which amendments can be offered, etc. That “special rule” is reported out of the Rules Committee and voted on by the full House; if it is approved, then debate begins under its terms. Under House rules, to consider a “special rule” on the same day it is reported from the Rules Committee, 2/3rds of the House needs to agree to do so. Alternatively, the House can waive the rule prohibiting same day consideration–that’s what called “martial law.” It’s used periodically in situations like this one, where there’s a major piece of legislation and a deadline they want to meet (here, the August recess) that means they’d prefer not to wait the extra day.

The big question here is whether the House actually wants to consider the bill the Senate might pass, or whether they’d prefer to enter into additional negotiations with the Senate. If the House does want to consider the bill, the martial law authority allows them to do so more quickly.

http://www.snopes.com/2017/07/27/martial-law-skinny-repeal/

Karl Malone, Friday, 28 July 2017 02:56 (six years ago) link

Asked if there is any chance this bill becomes law, Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn replied: "No, I don't."

— Burgess Everett (@burgessev) July 28, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 July 2017 03:01 (six years ago) link

Oh cool so he's voting no then

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 July 2017 03:05 (six years ago) link

I love Andrew Dice @Scaramucci !

— Roger Stone (@RogerJStoneJr) July 28, 2017

Eazy, Friday, 28 July 2017 03:05 (six years ago) link

I feel like anybody who takes an appointee job in this admin is one of the following:

1. naive little dutch boy
2. closet accelerationist
3. complete sociopath who's never grown out of the 7th grade locker room
4. actual psycho in a suit who is worse than 2+3 put together multiplied by whatever scott adams is now

El Tomboto, Friday, 28 July 2017 03:27 (six years ago) link

Watching Enzi speak on c-span wtf w this avuncular dithering n doddering routine i thought all his kind were extinct

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 July 2017 03:35 (six years ago) link

more and more i'm beginning to think they're not going to conference with this.

Karl Malone, Friday, 28 July 2017 03:39 (six years ago) link

Pence in the house, apparently. Ready to work his magic.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 July 2017 03:41 (six years ago) link

Tbf, if Senators are voting on a bill they hope does not become a law, and it does end up becoming a law, then they can continue to run on repealing health care.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 July 2017 03:48 (six years ago) link

I'm actually boggled at how much everyone is paying attention to this healthcare kabuki.

El Tomboto, Friday, 28 July 2017 03:52 (six years ago) link

what else should we be paying attention to? mooch?

mookieproof, Friday, 28 July 2017 03:54 (six years ago) link

It's as if you all think the end result is in question, or ever has been since November.

El Tomboto, Friday, 28 July 2017 03:55 (six years ago) link

I hate C-Span clips with empty chairs behind the speakers.

All Congressmen should be compelled to be in the chamber as long as floor business is being handled (barring illness, etc.).

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Friday, 28 July 2017 03:55 (six years ago) link

Listening to Enzi ramble is pure torture

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 July 2017 03:59 (six years ago) link

I can't imagine they'll pass this abomination that no one even wants to become law.

They will probably do it but it's unimaginable. Dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

Treeship, Friday, 28 July 2017 04:01 (six years ago) link

Just imagineer it!

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 July 2017 04:02 (six years ago) link

I never watch Colbert or any late-night anymore, but just stopped on him for a few seconds and heard "a flaming blindfolded toboggan ride." Seemed accurate enough.

clemenza, Friday, 28 July 2017 04:03 (six years ago) link

They'll do it, they'll blame the collapse of healthcare on Obama, and then they'll win their their elections next year.

xxp

Moodles, Friday, 28 July 2017 04:04 (six years ago) link

what else should we be paying attention to? mooch?

OK fine.

The entire executive branch is leaderless except for the bit where Kelly at DHS is ripping families apart via ICE and CBP. That's literally the only part of the federal government that's got a leader who is capable and empowered to do his job right now.

That piece Michael Lewis wrote about DOE? It applies to almost everything at this point. They're gutting everything, out of sight and in silence. The DoD is trying to run itself with almost no input from the WH. The IC is briefing into a memory hole. Every institutional pillar that has preserved the Pax Americana, for better and worse, is being defunded, denigrated, and dismissed. Oh and science? We don't do that anymore in the government. OSTP is already gone. What happens when the government is only staffed by toadies and PR people?

El Tomboto, Friday, 28 July 2017 04:06 (six years ago) link

I get what you're saying tombot but this is worth paying attention to and the result is not preordained

Karl Malone, Friday, 28 July 2017 04:15 (six years ago) link

jfc

John McCain just applauded for Chuck Schumer's floor speech calling for senators to vote against skinny repeal, so there's that.

— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) July 28, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 28 July 2017 04:17 (six years ago) link

the health care kabuki could kill millions of americans if it passes and is allowed to stand in court
the executive branch being decimated by neglect has the potential to lead to a nuclear event

El Tomboto, Friday, 28 July 2017 04:21 (six years ago) link

Think of it this way: we aren't quite to the point of a nuclear disaster yet, we are indeed on the brink of a healthcare disaster.

Moodles, Friday, 28 July 2017 04:23 (six years ago) link


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