Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

There's just no context for any of it: we don't know who billy, charlie, chuck or tina are, what their relationships or circumstances are, we don't know where this is or even who Audrey is these days - ben doesn't seem to remember she exists (then again he fails to mention the attack on Sylvia & Johnny to frank too) and the one name we're listening for in her exchange with Charlie, Richard, doesn't come up once. There's nothing to latch on to. It's the strangest reintroduction to an old character yet, and I have no idea what they're going for with it.

just rewatched the audrey scene and now i want to walk back my original comment. she does seem unreasonably aggressive. maybe there's something we don't know that will put it in context, but it's difficult to see how.

yeah idk y'all that guy seemed pretty tired

In the light of day...

As someone who trusts lynch in all this I can't really complain bc the first 12 hrs or whatever have been amazing. It just made me REALLY WANT NEXT SUNDAY TO BE HERE ALREADY FOR CHRIST, which I suppose makes the episode a success from a craft pov. Knowing we had gone this long w/o Audrey made me want her to not show up @ all (even though she would) bc our current TP world is already so rich. Whatever tho! All the things that people have pointed out are pretty otm.

And wrt Fenn's usage as a fuck you to Fenn -- I think Lynch has plenty of time to fuck with people but wouldn't entertain bringing someone in just to spite them. MJA was just written out/around/dream-imaged out of existence.

It occurred to me tonight that maybe Ashley Judd was cast as Audrey initially and then they shifted the part once Fenn got on board.

So there's something wrong in Twin Peaks. Maybe something wrong in the world. It could be the Black Lodge seeping out into the world, a garmonbozia plague, illicit BOB drugs, a space-time continuum fractured by Annie's message to Laura. Sarah Palmer senses it, a wrongness, overlapping valences, one reality overtaking another. Violent and erratic behavior is becoming the norm, people are behaving counter to their established personalities, jerky is made of turkey now. It will take a reconstituted Dale and Laura to heal the rift and purge the infection and blanket the world with beneficence. Something like that.

Can't believe Big Ed still hasn't shown up.

yeah twin peaks (the town) is definitely a basket case. too many familiar characters are having a shit time.

emily stephens at the av club said this about audrey:

Audrey has suffered in the 26 years since we’ve seen her, if her son’s behavior to his grandmother is anything to judge by. ... Audrey knows about people going missing, too: Laura Palmer and Ronette Pulaski both “went missing” while they were all in high school together, Audrey herself was held for ransom at One Eyed Jacks, and she presumably knows about Cooper’s disappearance… and possibly, to her sorrow, about his return as Dark Coop.

i'm not sure what i thought of this episode, but i do know i felt a sudden instant swell of anxiety when the palmer house ceiling fan showed up

This episode marked the first appearance of 'Laura Palmer's Theme' in the revival, yes?

(Not to mention the revived Badalamenti themes mentioned upthread.)

This episode marked the first appearance of 'Laura Palmer's Theme' in the revival, yes?

bobby cries over laura's photo to the same piece of music

Ahhhh, thanks.

The Badalamenti scoring has been so sparse (in COMPLETE contrast to the original series, I realized upon rewatching it recently) that it really catches my attention when it pops up.

My main takeaway from this episode is that Grace Zabriskie is the best.

oh god, going through these old episodes there's so much shit that's unresolved. spike got arrested. bad coop shares a birth date with bill hastings. a whole page of laura's diary is still missing. we haven't got to jack rabbit's palace. 119 woman hasn't shown up in weeks. a chocolate bunny is still missing. a girl in 1956 ate a frog with wings. a box gold ball in argentina is still doing nothing. the evidence the fbi found in georgetown (photo of a woman posing on a beach, pliers, photo of two women sunbathing, photo of a boy in a sailor suit, massive fuck-off gun, jar full of beige things) was never wrapped up. we never went back to the first people bad coop visits in part 1. red did that wacky trick with a coin. fucking linda.

I know it's maybe a well covered area, but I did feel odd when Audrey's husband was a little person. I'm conflicted because it's great that these roles exist for people who have a hard time finding them; but I do worry that Lynch is using them as a shorthand for strangeness, weirdness.

Really loved the editing decision to abruptly cut to Audrey center-frame as her first appearance.

Then the excruciating pan to dramatically reveal her husband who we have never seen before, when if any character at this point should be lurking behind a reveal shot like that it's Audrey fucking Horne.

We're still only 2/3 of the way through at this point.

I predict that the next episode will either be another mind melting cosmic info dump or sixty minutes of Nadine methodically opening and closing the drapes in her shop window.

intercut with dale banging into things for 28 minutes before suddenly recognising a dictaphone in the very last scene

and then banging into more things in episode 14

I guess I agree last night's episode seemed a bit treading water -- honestly, the Dougie stuff at this point is getting worrisome. You could basically show everything he's done so far and pretend it all happened in one day, and his character would still be the same. I can't really see any change in him at all, and since we don't know his perspective (which IMO is a flaw in the script -- why should we not have Dougie flashbacks to things old Coop had done?), and having him make a (seemingly?) meaningless cameo makes me fear that David Lynch just thinks the scenes themselves are so inherently charming, I should be going along on the Dougie ride indefinitely.

Also, was a bit disappointed by the Audrey scene. Frankly I didn't buy her performance -- was it just bad acting? I could see the scene working if she'd acted a bit less "theatrically" angry.

many xps

Almost every old character has been oddly reintroduced with as little context as possible. We had no idea about Bobby and Shelly's marital status until last week. In the very first scene we had no idea if Cooper was in the Black Lodge or not.

I know it's maybe a well covered area, but I did feel odd when Audrey's husband was a little person. I'm conflicted because it's great that these roles exist for people who have a hard time finding them; but I do worry that Lynch is using them as a shorthand for strangeness, weirdness.

― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Monday, July 31, 2017 8:44 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mentioned this a few thousand posts ago, but my inclination is to believe that Lynch is fascinated with variations on the human form but he generally isn't exploitative in his employment of people who skew from 'the norm' (the most clearcut example of this being The Elephant Man, which is intensely sympathetic toward its subject). Most of the worst people in the TP universe are average white dudes, which rings true to me.

I know it's maybe a well covered area, but I did feel odd when Audrey's husband was a little person. I'm conflicted because it's great that these roles exist for people who have a hard time finding them; but I do worry that Lynch is using them as a shorthand for strangeness, weirdness.

― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Monday, July 31, 2017 6:44 AM (seven minutes ago)

eh....

Clark Middleton - Height: 5' 4" (1.63 m)

compare to...
Michael J. Anderson - 3' 7" (1.09 m)
Christophe Zajac-Denek (aka Ike The Spike) - 4' 4" (1.32 m)

or Sherilyn Fenn - 5' 4" (1.63 m)

(he's on THE BLACKLIST too)

In fairness to Sherilyn, she was probably as baffled as anyone that Lynch and Frost came up with this for her to do.

It's my understanding that at least some Horne family scenes were shot before Fenn officially signed on, so maybe she had already been essentially written out of any involvement with the main plot, and what they came up with had to be mostly irrelevant. But then again, Jacoby and Jerry's scenes so far have also seemed completely self-contained, so who knows.

I know him from the (to me) disappointing The Path

it is my unsubstantiated theory that this whole time, Jerry has been at the edge of Jack Rabbit Slim's aka the portal where everything is going down

I do hope (although I do not necessarily expect) that the show will become more Twin Peaks-y as we near the end. More interactions between characters who've been relatively isolated, more Badalamenti musical cues, etc.

that is a good theory xp

What does Lynch have against Fenn?

xps well something needs to happen, because as much as i've enjoyed this episode and every episode, flicking through the old ones just now has made me impatient for the first time. i gave up on dale a while ago but i'm starting to feel the same way about 3/4 of the characters who are doing nothing. i'm half-expecting an overblown collection of short sharp "oh so that's what they're doing" wrap-up scenes near the end.

Yeah, I mentioned my irritation towards this episode earlier, and I think I realized that at least part of the reason is the pacing. In terms of his career on the whole, I love love love Lynch's employment long, slow, awkward scenes. But they're just part of the palette. When he overemploys that tendency, though, particularly this late in the game, it tends to become a little monochromatic. Like, the scene where Albert waited on Gordon's ladyfriend to leave was hilarious in part because I was right there with Albert on his journey through increasing shades of impatience.

Anyway, I remain cognizant that declaring this discrete 60-minute portion of the project as my least favorite is kinda like saying 'and' is my least favorite word in an otherwise astounding sentence.

Yeah it hardly negates the overwhelmingly positive feelings I've had about the other 11 episodes, just leaves a bad taste heading into next week's.

x-posts Oh! So he has problems stemming from juvenile arthritis. My mistake, sorry - I've never seen him in anything else. The point stands regardless of his diagnosis, of course, though I think I agree with Old Lunch about Lynch's motivations. It was just surprising, after 'Ike the Spike'.

it is my unsubstantiated theory that this whole time, Jerry has been at the edge of Jack Rabbit Slim's aka the portal where everything is going down

Yeah I saw the scene when he was holding up his phone and yelling "I've been here before!!" as a mirror of Cole's scene, arms outstretched toward the void. As will all of my other theories, I assume I am completely wrong, though. I have been convinced for a while that Jerry will somehow stumble his way into playing a major role in the drama.

"What does Lynch have against Fenn?"

nothing that I know of but she was very vocally angry when the script first came her way and there was a lot of grousing about pay. Then apparently she had a change of heart.

grace zabriskie was amazing, her two scenes were easily the highlights of the episode

when diane said "let's rock," she also made a weird hand gesture, was that one of the hand gestures from the fwwm blue rose lady? it was like pointing up with two fingers

i'm fine with audrey changing after 26 years, it's just that changing from an independent intelligent young woman into a husband-hating shrew isn't a particularly interesting or inspiring change

also obviously the billy who went missing is...

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/polls/1425000/1425210_1413372899888_full.jpg?v=1413372975

changing from an independent intelligent young woman into a husband-hating shrew

I don't think we really get enough context or information from that scene to judge either character tbh

yes that is implied, as it's implied that all of our posts are informed only by what has been in the show so far

After 25 years I don't recognise myself, never mind anyone else.

I saw some people mention the 'father' theme of the ep, which only had a couple of points when I watched it, but seems broader. So cooper's brief moment, the warden's son, and the horne's examination of fatherlessness (?) and fathers (the bike). It at least helped explain Dougie's cameo.

oh god, going through these old episodes there's so much shit that's unresolved. spike got arrested. bad coop shares a birth date with bill hastings. a whole page of laura's diary is still missing. we haven't got to jack rabbit's palace. 119 woman hasn't shown up in weeks. a chocolate bunny is still missing. a girl in 1956 ate a frog with wings. a box gold ball in argentina is still doing nothing. the evidence the fbi found in georgetown (photo of a woman posing on a beach, pliers, photo of two women sunbathing, photo of a boy in a sailor suit, massive fuck-off gun, jar full of beige things) was never wrapped up. we never went back to the first people bad coop visits in part 1. red did that wacky trick with a coin. fucking linda.

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 31 July 2017 13:42 (forty-two minutes ago) Permalink

B-b-but several of these clearly aren't plot points to be resolved? "The evidence the FBI found in Georgetown" was just a humorous way to re-introduce Albert and Gordon. Same goes for the place Bad Coop visits in the first ep.

Still six eps left ffs!

god I hope the last episode is ten hours long

episode 18:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI__53kBBKM

i mean that in the best way