Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

and then banging into more things in episode 14

I guess I agree last night's episode seemed a bit treading water -- honestly, the Dougie stuff at this point is getting worrisome. You could basically show everything he's done so far and pretend it all happened in one day, and his character would still be the same. I can't really see any change in him at all, and since we don't know his perspective (which IMO is a flaw in the script -- why should we not have Dougie flashbacks to things old Coop had done?), and having him make a (seemingly?) meaningless cameo makes me fear that David Lynch just thinks the scenes themselves are so inherently charming, I should be going along on the Dougie ride indefinitely.

Also, was a bit disappointed by the Audrey scene. Frankly I didn't buy her performance -- was it just bad acting? I could see the scene working if she'd acted a bit less "theatrically" angry.

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Almost every old character has been oddly reintroduced with as little context as possible. We had no idea about Bobby and Shelly's marital status until last week. In the very first scene we had no idea if Cooper was in the Black Lodge or not.

I know it's maybe a well covered area, but I did feel odd when Audrey's husband was a little person. I'm conflicted because it's great that these roles exist for people who have a hard time finding them; but I do worry that Lynch is using them as a shorthand for strangeness, weirdness.

― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Monday, July 31, 2017 8:44 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mentioned this a few thousand posts ago, but my inclination is to believe that Lynch is fascinated with variations on the human form but he generally isn't exploitative in his employment of people who skew from 'the norm' (the most clearcut example of this being The Elephant Man, which is intensely sympathetic toward its subject). Most of the worst people in the TP universe are average white dudes, which rings true to me.

I know it's maybe a well covered area, but I did feel odd when Audrey's husband was a little person. I'm conflicted because it's great that these roles exist for people who have a hard time finding them; but I do worry that Lynch is using them as a shorthand for strangeness, weirdness.

― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Monday, July 31, 2017 6:44 AM (seven minutes ago)

eh....

Clark Middleton - Height: 5' 4" (1.63 m)

compare to...
Michael J. Anderson - 3' 7" (1.09 m)
Christophe Zajac-Denek (aka Ike The Spike) - 4' 4" (1.32 m)

or Sherilyn Fenn - 5' 4" (1.63 m)

(he's on THE BLACKLIST too)

In fairness to Sherilyn, she was probably as baffled as anyone that Lynch and Frost came up with this for her to do.

It's my understanding that at least some Horne family scenes were shot before Fenn officially signed on, so maybe she had already been essentially written out of any involvement with the main plot, and what they came up with had to be mostly irrelevant. But then again, Jacoby and Jerry's scenes so far have also seemed completely self-contained, so who knows.

I know him from the (to me) disappointing The Path

it is my unsubstantiated theory that this whole time, Jerry has been at the edge of Jack Rabbit Slim's aka the portal where everything is going down

I do hope (although I do not necessarily expect) that the show will become more Twin Peaks-y as we near the end. More interactions between characters who've been relatively isolated, more Badalamenti musical cues, etc.

that is a good theory xp

What does Lynch have against Fenn?

xps well something needs to happen, because as much as i've enjoyed this episode and every episode, flicking through the old ones just now has made me impatient for the first time. i gave up on dale a while ago but i'm starting to feel the same way about 3/4 of the characters who are doing nothing. i'm half-expecting an overblown collection of short sharp "oh so that's what they're doing" wrap-up scenes near the end.

Yeah, I mentioned my irritation towards this episode earlier, and I think I realized that at least part of the reason is the pacing. In terms of his career on the whole, I love love love Lynch's employment long, slow, awkward scenes. But they're just part of the palette. When he overemploys that tendency, though, particularly this late in the game, it tends to become a little monochromatic. Like, the scene where Albert waited on Gordon's ladyfriend to leave was hilarious in part because I was right there with Albert on his journey through increasing shades of impatience.

Anyway, I remain cognizant that declaring this discrete 60-minute portion of the project as my least favorite is kinda like saying 'and' is my least favorite word in an otherwise astounding sentence.

Yeah it hardly negates the overwhelmingly positive feelings I've had about the other 11 episodes, just leaves a bad taste heading into next week's.

x-posts Oh! So he has problems stemming from juvenile arthritis. My mistake, sorry - I've never seen him in anything else. The point stands regardless of his diagnosis, of course, though I think I agree with Old Lunch about Lynch's motivations. It was just surprising, after 'Ike the Spike'.

it is my unsubstantiated theory that this whole time, Jerry has been at the edge of Jack Rabbit Slim's aka the portal where everything is going down

Yeah I saw the scene when he was holding up his phone and yelling "I've been here before!!" as a mirror of Cole's scene, arms outstretched toward the void. As will all of my other theories, I assume I am completely wrong, though. I have been convinced for a while that Jerry will somehow stumble his way into playing a major role in the drama.

"What does Lynch have against Fenn?"

nothing that I know of but she was very vocally angry when the script first came her way and there was a lot of grousing about pay. Then apparently she had a change of heart.

grace zabriskie was amazing, her two scenes were easily the highlights of the episode

when diane said "let's rock," she also made a weird hand gesture, was that one of the hand gestures from the fwwm blue rose lady? it was like pointing up with two fingers

i'm fine with audrey changing after 26 years, it's just that changing from an independent intelligent young woman into a husband-hating shrew isn't a particularly interesting or inspiring change

also obviously the billy who went missing is...

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/polls/1425000/1425210_1413372899888_full.jpg?v=1413372975

changing from an independent intelligent young woman into a husband-hating shrew

I don't think we really get enough context or information from that scene to judge either character tbh

yes that is implied, as it's implied that all of our posts are informed only by what has been in the show so far

After 25 years I don't recognise myself, never mind anyone else.

I saw some people mention the 'father' theme of the ep, which only had a couple of points when I watched it, but seems broader. So cooper's brief moment, the warden's son, and the horne's examination of fatherlessness (?) and fathers (the bike). It at least helped explain Dougie's cameo.

oh god, going through these old episodes there's so much shit that's unresolved. spike got arrested. bad coop shares a birth date with bill hastings. a whole page of laura's diary is still missing. we haven't got to jack rabbit's palace. 119 woman hasn't shown up in weeks. a chocolate bunny is still missing. a girl in 1956 ate a frog with wings. a box gold ball in argentina is still doing nothing. the evidence the fbi found in georgetown (photo of a woman posing on a beach, pliers, photo of two women sunbathing, photo of a boy in a sailor suit, massive fuck-off gun, jar full of beige things) was never wrapped up. we never went back to the first people bad coop visits in part 1. red did that wacky trick with a coin. fucking linda.

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 31 July 2017 13:42 (forty-two minutes ago) Permalink

B-b-but several of these clearly aren't plot points to be resolved? "The evidence the FBI found in Georgetown" was just a humorous way to re-introduce Albert and Gordon. Same goes for the place Bad Coop visits in the first ep.

Still six eps left ffs!

god I hope the last episode is ten hours long

episode 18:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI__53kBBKM

i mean that in the best way

I'm beginning to wonder if, in terms of the characters and their relationships, The Return might not function more optimally if viewed as its own thing rather than as a continuation of Twin Peaks. Only a handful of characters are behaving in a way that's familiar, and hardly any of the character relationships from the original series have been explored (or even exist anymore). Viewed from that perspective and with those expectations, this is bound to be a frustrating experience, but freed from that onus, there's lots of great character stuff going on.

I'm pretty much accepting that we'll see very little of the old school Agent Cooper in this series.

when diane said "let's rock," she also made a weird hand gesture, was that one of the hand gestures from the fwwm blue rose lady? it was like pointing up with two fingers

― na (NA), Monday, July 31, 2017 7:41 AM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

felt like a weird inversion of laura's snap (it probably isn't)

Kinda hope we'll see some explicit time travel (i.e. the suggestion upthread that Diane wrote on the windshield at the Fat Trout).

I kind of hope the last scene of the series is the rediscovery of he missing chocolate bunny.

i went back and checked and it doesn't seem like there's a connection to any of lil's gestures. maybe just a laura dern acting choice.

I thought Lucy ate the bunny

...Did she eat the bunny?

It's not about the bunny!

Is it about the bunny?

No. It's not about the bunny.

'm conflicted because it's great that these roles exist for people who have a hard time finding them; but I do worry that Lynch is using them as a shorthand

just wanna say I see what you did there

was so annoyed I couldn't remember where I'd seen the actor that plays Charlie before - he's the guy that helps bury Uma Thurman in Kill Bill 2

I did get uncomfortable when Audrey revealed she was leaving him for Hercules the strongman

Fenn and Lynch are very close friends btw

The Return might not function more optimally if viewed as its own thing rather than as a continuation of Twin Peaks.

As a guy who is watching this without having seen FWWM and not having seen Twin Peaks since its original airing, I can confirm this stands entirely on its own

also how is it that no one has yet commented on the shot of Diane appearing from between two dark red curtains, that whole shot composition was straight out of the Red Room

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The sound effect that preceded her appearance was a red room one too

oh god, going through these old episodes there's so much shit that's unresolved. spike got arrested. bad coop shares a birth date with bill hastings. a whole page of laura's diary is still missing. we haven't got to jack rabbit's palace. 119 woman hasn't shown up in weeks. a chocolate bunny is still missing. a girl in 1956 ate a frog with wings. a box gold ball in argentina is still doing nothing. the evidence the fbi found in georgetown (photo of a woman posing on a beach, pliers, photo of two women sunbathing, photo of a boy in a sailor suit, massive fuck-off gun, jar full of beige things) was never wrapped up. we never went back to the first people bad coop visits in part 1. red did that wacky trick with a coin. fucking linda.

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 31 July 2017 13:42 (forty-two minutes ago) Permalink

B-b-but several of these clearly aren't plot points to be resolved? "The evidence the FBI found in Georgetown" was just a humorous way to re-introduce Albert and Gordon. Same goes for the place Bad Coop visits in the first ep.

Still six eps left ffs!

Also "Ike got arrested" is a resolved plot

But we don't know how the trial went.

I don't even really understand where, physically, Gordon, Albert, Tammy and Diane are right now. Where is that room with the red velvet curtains where they have the meeting? Where is the restaurant ("O'Donovan's") where Diane is drinking and checking her texts?

I'd thought they were still in/around Elkhorn but they mentioned drinking wine from Cole's private cellar.

Also: I assumed the "Angela" being talked about at the Roadhouse at the end ("she's on the edge") was Sky Ferreira's character, but no, that character was named "Ella." So is all this just atmosphere? Some sense that Twin Peaks is still, as always, a place where teens love each other and betray each other, but we're beyond that now, it's just something that happens in the background while the music's playing?