Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

this whole show is a kingdom of the crystal skull meta moment with its bombs, ufos, old dads, cool old ladies, and terrible sons

I haven't seen that

Surprised I haven't seen more talking/complaining about the UFO angle coming in again

Like I don't care that the blue rose was explained because afaic it was explained later on in the film when coop first said "blue rose case", we knew that it was some kinda supernatural task force deal, but it is a little disappointing that it's a project blue book descendant imo

ufo stuff that comes out of nowhere and surprises everybody on the planet can be good. ufo + gov conspiracy always registers as corny, and I wish it'd go away

UFOs in TP almost certainly have nothing to do with the traditional idea of UFOs so I have no qualms as such. Probably just sightings of Experiments vomiting garmonbozia all over the countryside.

briggs head ufos

UFOs in TP almost certainly have nothing to do with the traditional idea of UFOs so I have no qualms as such. Probably just sightings of Experiments vomiting garmonbozia all over the countryside.

^^^my interpretation as well

Yeah mine too, just weird to couch it in those terms. I guess it's a twin peaks thing to play with cliched or anachronistic associations

guess you guys didn't read the secret history of twin peaks, it's like 75% about ufos

Somewhere uptrend someone comments on Diane typing in coord-i-nates-plus-two but from the flashback to her reading them on Albert's photo it's clear this is just a mnemonic for her.

"What kind is it?"
"ELEVEN OH FIVE"

was up there with

"A vicuña coat"
"SOUNDS GREAT SHERRIFF BUT I JUST ATE."

Xp I read it. Can't wait for the dossier to show up!

In my rewatch I have just got past the good ones in S2 and HOLY FUCK is it a cliff-edge into shit.

Leland's wake is like a whole different show (and is weird even if you don't remember that he's literally just confessed to raping his daughter and everyone is laughing and joking), Milford Wedding, Hawk is transphobic about Denise, Ben is about to go all Civil War, Josie appears after disappearing the episode before in the shortest cliffhanger ever, Norma's new father-in-law, Little Nick, I DON'T CARE.

leland's funeral is certainly the jolliest, wackiest, and best attended funeral service for a dude who murdered and raped his daughter imaginable

I thought the way Albert explained it, Blue Rose isn't concerned with UFOs per se but with some unexplained phenomena that got tossed into the Bluebook files and never got resolved. (In other words, the X Files.)

love that in twin peaks the return we have no dale cooper, basically none of the characters act like they did in the original show, and none of the relationships that were the basis of the show are explored. and instead we get lots of dougie. and a ton of one-note cameo character gordon cole, especially him getting amorous. prayers have been answered

basically none of the characters act like they did in the original show,

I don't think this is true. Hawk, Andy, Lucy, Bobby (esp Bobby!), Ben, Norma, Shelly, Sara Palmer, etc. are all p much as they were. Characters like Jacoby's focus may have changed but he seems p similar too.

Albert's p much the same too

The UFO stuff has always been Frost's thing, rather than Lynch's. And usually if a TV show mentions Roswell and that stuff I just move on to something else. Especially in terms of Twin Peaks it would be a shame to end up with such a materialist (I guess?) resolution. Thankfully I think Lynch would resist that.

There's a huge subset of UFO lore that interprets the subject in a more occult/paranormal light than it is popularly perceived. This is what Frost is drawing from.

" I assumed the "Angela" being talked about at the Roadhouse at the end ("she's on the edge") was Sky Ferreira's character, but no, that character was named "Ella.""

well 'ella' might be short for 'angela'

haven't watched this week's yet, can't wait

whoa, you just blew my mind

I thought this Blue Rose Task Force thing with Cooper and Jeffries and Desmond and Albert was kinda weird. Doesn't Gordon introduce Coop to Jeffries in that scene in FWWM? And all through the series Albert seems pretty skeptical of paranormal stuff for a guy who's in this secret club thing.

he didn't say they were all assigned at once

honestly that comment mostly made me worry about the fate of Albert

There's a huge subset of UFO lore that interprets the subject in a more occult/paranormal light than it is popularly perceived. This is what Frost is drawing from.

I always forget the supposed link between reported abduction experiences & child sexual abuse also

I've now decided I'm committing myself to loudly exclaiming "IT'S A GOOD ONE" whenever I have a nice bottle of wine

Tammy getting cheerily inducted into desaparecidos club over a FINE BORDEAUX was delightful

I've always thought of UFOs in TP being more derived from Communion-style psychological inward journeys, whereas X-Files and other pop UFO stuff was more derived from The Mothman Prophecies and its bizarre mirror image of investigative journalism.

I will admit I was disappointed to hear the words "UFO" and "Blue Book". In fact, this is the first episode i felt some measure of disappointment in overall.

lmao just saw someone post that Charlie has a crystal ball ON HIS DESK during that whole exchange

the UFO/blue book stuff doesn't bother me because i see that as just the terminology that a bureaucracy uses to try to grapple with evidence weird glimpses of the black lodge (and other lodges maybe? i don't know how it works)

Mark Frost's "Secret History" is pretty explicit in linking UFO sightings to the Lodges or similar extradimensional forces, iirc.

Yeah, I see no issue with the UFO mention etc.; it seems fairly clear that Blue Rose very much expands any UFO-centric paradigm Blue Book may have had. Hence also transmissions coming from the woods around TP instead of outer space when Briggs relays the message to Cooper in the old TP, etc.

Have to admit that when I hear UFO I still think saucer shaped spaceship. But of course it could be just about anything in the air that is unknown.

Is it too spoiler-y to quote Lynch's cryptic message to Twin Peaks Fest here?

Re: a lot of the possible references people mention to other modern films and tv shows. Does Lynch or Frost really do that stuff? I might be completely wrong but I could imagine Lynch not knowing what Se7en or Mad Men is.

No! What did he say?!

X-post

I might be completely wrong but I could imagine Lynch not knowing what Se7en or Mad Men is

you are completely wrong

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/lynch/david-lynch-mad-men/

No! What did he say?!

"Does one chair lead to another?"

Thanks Shakey.

Cooper could be a UFO when he was flying around at the start of the season.

so distressing 😭

https://media.giphy.com/media/l1J3VIsEOFuxnkUTu/giphy.gif

seems like the logical outcome for a woman whose husband raped and killed her daughter then died

Absolutely. Just thought that specific moment was one of the most distressing and dread-inducing ones of the entire series so far, not least with those sounds from the kitchen and her voice dropping like that.

(Just in case, that emoji was the weeping one, not the one crying with laughter, similar though they look. They look too similar on here, I am too Twitter-centric :'( )

Lynch seems to watch more TV than movies. He's also talked about Breaking Bad and True Detective

Have to admit that when I hear UFO I still think saucer shaped spaceship. But of course it could be just about anything in the air that is unknown.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, July 31, 2017 1:21 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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Just saw the last one. Surprised at all the eye-brows raised at Audrey on here! Someone said it best up here, we are missing 25 years of context. She's obv in a terrible marriage, yet wouldn't just ask her husband to come with her on a search for 'Billy' - who she fucks - if there's not an inkling of a deep connection left.

It was def the slowest episode of The Return, but I felt it was warranted, it did not annoy me at all. Cole's damsel taking three minutes to leave the room had me in stitches, there was something spooky and unreal about her smile too. I think Coop's only scene, with the baseball, was just there to say: 'Dougie' is still nowhere near any awakening, he's still completely lost. Not expecting a "return" (har har) anytime soon.

Since I'm better at asking questions than delivering answers (you guys are way smarter than I am):

- Where did Gordon and Albert let Tammy in on their 'division'? What room was it? Because Diane stepped in through ~red curtains~
- Was Beverly crying at Ben's green bike story? Did I see a tear?
- The coordinates didn't make sense to me: she spelled out coordinates plus two. How did that work?

On the last point, "Co ord i nates plus two" seems to have been a mnemonic Diane was mouthing while she memorized the (possibly doctored) coordinates written on Ruth Davenport's arm in the photograph.

Was Beverly crying at Ben's green bike story? Did I see a tear?

yeah I noticed this too. Also Ben's "he never had a father" comment points to the Mr. C-raped-comatose-Audrey theory