Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

the UFO/blue book stuff doesn't bother me because i see that as just the terminology that a bureaucracy uses to try to grapple with evidence weird glimpses of the black lodge (and other lodges maybe? i don't know how it works)

Mark Frost's "Secret History" is pretty explicit in linking UFO sightings to the Lodges or similar extradimensional forces, iirc.

Yeah, I see no issue with the UFO mention etc.; it seems fairly clear that Blue Rose very much expands any UFO-centric paradigm Blue Book may have had. Hence also transmissions coming from the woods around TP instead of outer space when Briggs relays the message to Cooper in the old TP, etc.

Have to admit that when I hear UFO I still think saucer shaped spaceship. But of course it could be just about anything in the air that is unknown.

Is it too spoiler-y to quote Lynch's cryptic message to Twin Peaks Fest here?

Re: a lot of the possible references people mention to other modern films and tv shows. Does Lynch or Frost really do that stuff? I might be completely wrong but I could imagine Lynch not knowing what Se7en or Mad Men is.

No! What did he say?!

X-post

I might be completely wrong but I could imagine Lynch not knowing what Se7en or Mad Men is

you are completely wrong

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/lynch/david-lynch-mad-men/

No! What did he say?!

"Does one chair lead to another?"

Thanks Shakey.

Cooper could be a UFO when he was flying around at the start of the season.

so distressing 😭

https://media.giphy.com/media/l1J3VIsEOFuxnkUTu/giphy.gif

seems like the logical outcome for a woman whose husband raped and killed her daughter then died

Absolutely. Just thought that specific moment was one of the most distressing and dread-inducing ones of the entire series so far, not least with those sounds from the kitchen and her voice dropping like that.

(Just in case, that emoji was the weeping one, not the one crying with laughter, similar though they look. They look too similar on here, I am too Twitter-centric :'( )

Lynch seems to watch more TV than movies. He's also talked about Breaking Bad and True Detective

Have to admit that when I hear UFO I still think saucer shaped spaceship. But of course it could be just about anything in the air that is unknown.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, July 31, 2017 1:21 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

e l e c t r i c i t y

Just saw the last one. Surprised at all the eye-brows raised at Audrey on here! Someone said it best up here, we are missing 25 years of context. She's obv in a terrible marriage, yet wouldn't just ask her husband to come with her on a search for 'Billy' - who she fucks - if there's not an inkling of a deep connection left.

It was def the slowest episode of The Return, but I felt it was warranted, it did not annoy me at all. Cole's damsel taking three minutes to leave the room had me in stitches, there was something spooky and unreal about her smile too. I think Coop's only scene, with the baseball, was just there to say: 'Dougie' is still nowhere near any awakening, he's still completely lost. Not expecting a "return" (har har) anytime soon.

Since I'm better at asking questions than delivering answers (you guys are way smarter than I am):

- Where did Gordon and Albert let Tammy in on their 'division'? What room was it? Because Diane stepped in through ~red curtains~
- Was Beverly crying at Ben's green bike story? Did I see a tear?
- The coordinates didn't make sense to me: she spelled out coordinates plus two. How did that work?

On the last point, "Co ord i nates plus two" seems to have been a mnemonic Diane was mouthing while she memorized the (possibly doctored) coordinates written on Ruth Davenport's arm in the photograph.

Was Beverly crying at Ben's green bike story? Did I see a tear?

yeah I noticed this too. Also Ben's "he never had a father" comment points to the Mr. C-raped-comatose-Audrey theory

Cole's dame was a mime.

xp where are people getting this theory from? out of thin air? or am i really bad at watching tv?

billy zane was obv a deadbeat dad

The bad coop raped audrey theory? alzheimer's doc said he saw coop at the hospital after the events of s2 finale

(where audrey was in a coma)

aaaaaaah

I do hope (although I do not necessarily expect) that the show will become more Twin Peaks-y as we near the end.

Lynch said he was happy with the original tv series until "Who Killed Laura Palmer". What is he referring to? There isn't an episode called that.

Is there any good articles or documentaries which detail his level of involvement across the series and about the other writers and directors input? Was he on set for episodes he didn't direct or act in?

Can't believe Diane Keaton directed an episode.

B-b-but several of these clearly aren't plot points to be resolved? "The evidence the FBI found in Georgetown" was just a humorous way to re-introduce Albert and Gordon. Same goes for the place Bad Coop visits in the first ep.

Still six eps left ffs!

― The Marmadook (latebloomer), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 00:49 (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's true, it's just... so much. i don't mind the sprawl (and the colour) at all, but i'd like to see at least some of it pay off before too long.

What Alzheimer's doc? Xpost

Doc Hayward

also how is it that no one has yet commented on the shot of Diane appearing from between two dark red curtains, that whole shot composition was straight out of the Red Room

xp

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 01:31 (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wins and i did, but tbh this thread is careening along like bad coop's driving skills at 2.53

aldo:

Hawk is transphobic about Denise

by the end of the scene he's cool with it. from what i can remember of 1991 that's about as progressive as you'd find on prime time american network television. i'm willing to give him (and the production) a pass on this.

Nah, he's still giving him the side-eye. Harry not much better. Dale is shocked but just about copes.

But then later at the Great Northern they're just all like "right, the script says he's just explained it to Cooper when we weren't there so we have to act like we know all about it"

yeah, there are plenty of problems with the show at that point, but a character like denise in the early '90s would almost certainly be (a) the subject of derision or (b) a massive deal, so addressing her situation quickly and moving on was pretty forward-looking imo

Lynch said he was happy with the original tv series until "Who Killed Laura Palmer". What is he referring to

I’m assuming it’s the fact CBS forced Frost and Lynch into answering that question, when they were going to let it linger and do the soap opera style thing as long as possible instead of going straight toward the resolution of the murder investigation.

xp (sorry mh) also it's a small town in the countryside in the early '90s, in which you'd expect people to be less accepting, so the fact that they moved on quickly was far from the worst outcome.

recently i saw a 1990 episode of northern exposure which handled a gay topic so badly it was insulting (maurice sacked his dj for saying walt whitman might have been gay, and went on a brutal anti-gay tirade). the episode resolved it by expecting the audience to sympathise with maurice.

compare this to that shitty show Pretty Little Liars which never answered the main question of who the secret identity of some character was for like 8 seasons and people loved it (why do I now this? I got bored and watched a full season of it at some point on netflix)

My girlfriend tells me that Jay Ferguson, who played Stan on Mad Men, is in the cast list but has yet to appear. Whoever he's playing, he's my new pick to be the voice that Evil Cooper talked to in the motel room in pt. 2. It kinda sounds like him. I'm still mostly hung up on plot points from the first two episodes.

xp hell man, they didn’t reveal who Gossip GIrl was until the show’s finale

oh that's right

I’m assuming it’s the fact CBS forced Frost and Lynch into answering that question, when they were going to let it linger and do the soap opera style thing as long as possible instead of going straight toward the resolution of the murder investigation.

yep. here's the way he describes it in Lynch on Lynch (sorry in advance for my typos and other weird mistakes, i am eating leftover thai at the same time and my limbs and digits are flying left and right):

INTERVIEWER: By the time we got to the answer - that it was Leland - it doesn't really seem to matter any more. By then it's clear that an evil force - Bob - is operating from within the "host" character anyway. So pointing the finger at Leland isn't really an answer at all.

LYNCH: It's not an answer. That was the whole point. Mark Frost and I had this idea. The way we pitched this thing was as a murder mystery but that murder mystery was to eventually become the background story. Then there would be a middle ground of all of the characters we stay with for the series. And the foreground would be the main characters that particular week: the ones we'd deal with i detail. We're not going to solve the murder for a long time.

This they did not like They did not like that. And they forced us to, you know, get to Laura's killer. It wasn't really all their fault. People just got a bug in them that they wanted to know who killed Laura Palmer. Calling out for it. And one thing led to another, and the pressure was just so great that the murder mystery couldn't be just a background thing any more. The progress towards it, but never getting there, was what made us know all the people in Twin Peaks: how they all surrounded Laura and intermingled. All the mysteries. But it wasn't meant to be. It just couldn't happen that way. The yearning to know was too intense. But the mystery was the magical ingredient. It would've made Twin Peaks live a lot longer.

"THERE IT IS ALBERT, THE GOOSE THAT LAYS THE GOLDEN EGG"

well by that standard I'd say he's got another 4-5 seasons in him the way things are going now

compare this to that shitty show Pretty Little Liars which never answered the main question of who the secret identity of some character was for like 8 seasons and people loved it (why do I now this? I got bored and watched a full season of it at some point on netflix)

― akm, Monday, July 31, 2017 3:54 PM (twenty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i hate to break this to you but they reveal that character three times over seven seasons which i have unfortunately watched every minute of

Cole's damsel taking three minutes to leave the room had me in stitches, there was something spooky and unreal about her smile too.

I totally read this scene as a reference to Laura Dern's terrifying grin moment in Inland Empire

oh wait my favorite moment in the last episode was carl telling his neighbor not to sell his blood

carl rules so much

his uber whistle is fantastic

i am currently rewatching fire walk with me and carl is the best character? "you see, i've already gone places. i just wanna stay where i am"