Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

remember the dirty bearded man at the morgue or hospital or w/e

http://i.imgur.com/VwklB1L.jpg

i figured she meant FBI men

also i thought she was looking at the "albatross" label on the jerky

"people are claiming the supermarket she was in is basically a convenience store (not sure if this has been mentioned here)."

that seems like a convenient explanation but I don't buy it.

I'd say it checks out

did it have a produce section? where you can buy turnips and the like? if so, I don't know that you'd call it a convenience store. Produce like that wouldn't turn up there.

I sought out the turkey jerky section at the local supermarket just to see if it's ominous and yeah RIP

In "Morning of the Magicians," source of Bowie's Nazi-occult mania, Die Glocke is a time machine built at "The Giant" & hidden in Argentina. pic.twitter.com/Pprj9XF4ir

— Ken Layne (@KenLayne) August 2, 2017

Ha! I think someone on ILX quoted the Wikipedia article about the Glocke at some point but I missed the Argentinian connection (and the Bowie connection, which seems a bit flimsy but is too good to ignore)...

I think this is more in the fantastical essay category than the “this is intentional” category but I look forward to the magic realism speculative fiction

you probably all know this but the man behind winkies was played by a woman, Bonnie Aarons, who got the facial expression Lynch wanted by giving him her "come hither" look:

http://www.vulture.com/2014/10/mulholland-drives-evil-hobo-breaks-her-silencio.html

xp

Yeah, Twin Peaks fortunately lends itself to this. Ah, I love it so much.
(I also still hold out hope, or at least like to daydream here and there, that Bowie will appear out of nowhere at the end. Of course it's extremely unlikely for several reasons obvious and/or much-discussed, but this would make a whole lot of people cry in the best possible way.)

Ha! I think someone on ILX quoted the Wikipedia article about the Glocke at some point but I missed the Argentinian connection (and the Bowie connection, which seems a bit flimsy but is too good to ignore)...

― Dancing on the Pylons, Tuesday, August 1, 2017 8:52 PM (thirty minutes ago)

The stars turn: the TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread

One of my fav anecdotes from Bowie's occult-nazi-milk-and-cocaine phase was of him drawing doors on walls in order to create portals to parallel dimensions, which is pretty gnarly

Like in Beetlejuice!

Does anyone else get the sense that the series is gonna take some absolutely batshit left turns in the last few episodes? Maybe it's because I keep drawing lines between this and Mulholland Drive (i.e. how many unresolved/unanswered plot points we'll be left with), but I'm getting the sense that we'll be in for a wild and confusing ride soon and we'll be connecting the dots for years to come

yeah, suspect the journey to the black lodge will be pretty fucked. xpost to 2011

I certainly hope so. as much as it feels like time is running out, look how shit crazy episode 8 was; look how crazy the last 45 minutes of season 2 was. that erased almost everyone's memory of the shitty stuff that preceeded it.

It makes sense given that everyone's on track to converge upon a supernatural place in twin peaks. Though even in the last episode we'll hopefully get some good mibbler-style digressions

The Diane intrigue is one of the more compelling threads - why are they expecting Cole & Albert to ask about vegas? Do they know that the fuscos are running cooper's prints?

Also I was thinking about the pattern they've established of roadhouse patrons being almost all one-shot cameos just there for colour, and how that maybe supports some people's speculation that we won't see James again (I'd still bet money that we will but it's a funny thought)

I'm also guessing that there's gonna be another Part 8-styled black and white episode set in the past before the 2-episode finale comes around. Part 8 had a far too fully realized aesthetic for Lynch to spend on just one episode.

I also can't tell or not if if I want lynch to reveal the identity of the girl who swallowed the bug. Like I'm dying to know who it is, but the mystery is what makes it (and so many other elements of this show) so special

The Roadhouse moments almost feel like they're setting up a potential Season 4 both in terms of introducing specific characters and in terms of hinting at the vast plane of relations from which new stories would emerge; except that 1. I don't think that's what Frost and Lynch are going for and 2. I definitely don't think there will be a Season 4 (not that I feel qualified to guess). Still, life goes on in Twin Peaks even when we're not looking, life finds a way etc. etc.

As for the projected sheer weirdness and intensity of the coming episodes: While it's always hard to tell what will happen in this show, I sure hope for it! I will also suffer as I did watching Mulholland Drive, which did terrible things to me and consequently became one of my favorite films

I actually watched Mulholland Drive for the first time about a month ago and got horribly thrown off by the switch up, but after reading up on "explanations" about it I wanna give it another try. Seems like most people fall for it on subsequent viewings anyways

is everyone else finding this really funny? some of the comedy with albert/gordon is as good as anything in the original. all the small stupid bits like them toasting with the wine etc. or the long, long stare followed by "albert, i worry about you" - i'm at the stage now where i love older albert as much as his previous incarnation.

I was thinking the other day about how batshit it might get. Among other things, the Arm could keep evolving into something huge and an actual supernatural battle could take place.

I realized the Black Lodge scenes in pt 2 might have just been a warm-up. But then it could also just end with Cooper silently playing bridge or something. These guys are very likely never going to get another Twin Peaks series and episode 12 was a fascinating case study of how they're using their time.

Def think this is hella funny, LG. I see slightly more people getting bored with the funny stuff but it's the other way around for me. They are truly perfecting it with every new episode.

Were the episodes shot more or less in order? Or was the filming of scenes all over the place? Because it certainly feels like they are getting more familiar with each other, esp the Cole/Albert/Tammy scenes, as they go along.

Lynch definitely falls back too much on making female characters shrill harridans being reactive in the face of stoic men who are reasonable and in control of their emotions.

I don't necessarily disagree in general, but the way her husband was behaving in that scene in no way fit any definition of "reasonable".

I don't think this is true. Hawk, Andy, Lucy, Bobby (esp Bobby!), Ben, Norma, Shelly, Sara Palmer, etc. are all p much as they were.

Bobby is completely different this time wtf? But he's completely different in a way that makes total sense given what's happened in the intervening years. Ben as well to some extent.

We know from Matthew Lillard that the interrogation scene a few eps ago was bell's first acting scene ever, so def not filmed in order xp

Ah yes you are correct wins

I like the idea of Ben being good now because being that bad is too exhausting, and ended up with him getting his head bashed into a fireplace.

But it was his (crap) attempt to be good that led to the fireplace bashing!

Yeah, bad example (even though it had to do with the sins of the past), but still 2017 Ben just seems like he doesn't have the drive for nefarious scheming, more than anything.

Do you think he lost his verve once Catherine left the picture?

It's probably a combination of things, maybe including seeing a maniacal grandson running around.

I'm pretty much convinced by the idea that the bug eater will be Sarah, mainly because it'll be the easiest to explain with a couple of lines of dialogue - "I was visited in the night as a child and it has grown with me ever since. I've always known what the offspring of Mother are doing."

Evidence still is a little sketchy but:

She's the right age
She's always been sensitive to movements in the Lodges, although in the original series it seemed to take the form of her crying or cowering in the corner
When Leland dies she completely shrugs it off more than anyone else - she was attaining shut-in status then suddenly she becomes the life and soul of the party, happily reminiscing about the past while all the rape and incest was going on
If, as has been suggested elsewhere, it's the logo of the jerky that catches her eye then it's the similarity to the Owl Cave Ring symbol that causes her change in personality
She's visited by the horse
I've seen photo comparisons elsewhere that try and link the way she's smiling in the doorway when Hawk turns up in Ep 12 is very similar to Bob's grimace
Going right back to the pilot, she is never told Laura is dead but she somehow knows - she phones Leland to say she's worried and is on the other end of the phone when the police turn up, but based on how Laura lived her life why would she be so concerned after an overnight stop-out?
She is literally "Mother"

Part of this is down to neat storytelling, which might be a false expectation. I think there will a large number of loose ends to be honest.

I think either the Log Lady or Sarah, both would make sense.

it took me 57 hours to get the turnip joke

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When Leland dies she completely shrugs it off more than anyone else - she was attaining shut-in status then suddenly she becomes the life and soul of the party

I hate the wake scene as much as anyone but this is not what happens, like, at all, in the slightest

I think it's a little girl in New Mexico tbh

Also a ton of people in the pilot seem to intuit what happened to Laura when they haven't really been given reason to think the worst, it's part of the sense of guilt & repressed knowledge surfacing

sense of guilt & repressed knowledge

good ol garmonbozia

IIRC the wake scenes just seemed like an excuse to introduce a load of shitty new characters at once.

I hate the wake scene as much as anyone but this is not what happens, like, at all, in the slightest

I watched it the other day. She's spent about the previous three episodes alternately crying and screaming, including having been physically abused by Leland. At the wake she sits on the sofa with Audrey on one side and Eileen Hayward on the other, telling heart warming stories about when Laura was a child and how Leland played with her. Hank brings her some food at the introduction to the scene "while it's still hot" and she thanks him for being so considerate (while giving facial signs to Eileen and Audrey that she doesn't really want to eat).

They pretty much abandon Sarah after that until the finale, she was of no interest at all to the collection of writers that took over in Frost/Lynch's absence.

And she wasn't even in the original script for the finale: her turn as a medium in the RR diner was one of Lynch's ideas during filming.

Were the episodes shot more or less in order? Or was the filming of scenes all over the place? Because it certainly feels like they are getting more familiar with each other, esp the Cole/Albert/Tammy scenes, as they go along.

Since they shot the entire season in one go, with the exception of reshoots there's not really any reason to believe they didn't shoot all of the NYC penthouse scenes in one go, the Twin Peaks scenes/roadhouse scenes all in a row, the Las Vegas stuff all at once, etc. It's just more logical and economical to do it that way, so any time you see MacLachlan in multiple roles within an episode, it's probably footage filmed months apart

Tangentially related, but I thought this was a loving parody (it aired on SMACKDOWN LIVE last night).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xayP9ErP5Nw

According to Dean Hurley, all the Roadhouse performances were supposed to be shot together, so I'd agree with mh's speculation:

From the get-go, David wanted bands to fill the bar, like Julee Cruise did at the roadhouse in the original. She was the house band. This time, Lynch wanted a bunch of different bands and to shoot them all in one day, and then find places for them within the show.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/twin-peaks-music-dean-hurley-interview-1202470579/