Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Does anyone else get the sense that the series is gonna take some absolutely batshit left turns in the last few episodes? Maybe it's because I keep drawing lines between this and Mulholland Drive (i.e. how many unresolved/unanswered plot points we'll be left with), but I'm getting the sense that we'll be in for a wild and confusing ride soon and we'll be connecting the dots for years to come

yeah, suspect the journey to the black lodge will be pretty fucked. xpost to 2011

I certainly hope so. as much as it feels like time is running out, look how shit crazy episode 8 was; look how crazy the last 45 minutes of season 2 was. that erased almost everyone's memory of the shitty stuff that preceeded it.

It makes sense given that everyone's on track to converge upon a supernatural place in twin peaks. Though even in the last episode we'll hopefully get some good mibbler-style digressions

The Diane intrigue is one of the more compelling threads - why are they expecting Cole & Albert to ask about vegas? Do they know that the fuscos are running cooper's prints?

Also I was thinking about the pattern they've established of roadhouse patrons being almost all one-shot cameos just there for colour, and how that maybe supports some people's speculation that we won't see James again (I'd still bet money that we will but it's a funny thought)

I'm also guessing that there's gonna be another Part 8-styled black and white episode set in the past before the 2-episode finale comes around. Part 8 had a far too fully realized aesthetic for Lynch to spend on just one episode.

I also can't tell or not if if I want lynch to reveal the identity of the girl who swallowed the bug. Like I'm dying to know who it is, but the mystery is what makes it (and so many other elements of this show) so special

The Roadhouse moments almost feel like they're setting up a potential Season 4 both in terms of introducing specific characters and in terms of hinting at the vast plane of relations from which new stories would emerge; except that 1. I don't think that's what Frost and Lynch are going for and 2. I definitely don't think there will be a Season 4 (not that I feel qualified to guess). Still, life goes on in Twin Peaks even when we're not looking, life finds a way etc. etc.

As for the projected sheer weirdness and intensity of the coming episodes: While it's always hard to tell what will happen in this show, I sure hope for it! I will also suffer as I did watching Mulholland Drive, which did terrible things to me and consequently became one of my favorite films

I actually watched Mulholland Drive for the first time about a month ago and got horribly thrown off by the switch up, but after reading up on "explanations" about it I wanna give it another try. Seems like most people fall for it on subsequent viewings anyways

is everyone else finding this really funny? some of the comedy with albert/gordon is as good as anything in the original. all the small stupid bits like them toasting with the wine etc. or the long, long stare followed by "albert, i worry about you" - i'm at the stage now where i love older albert as much as his previous incarnation.

I was thinking the other day about how batshit it might get. Among other things, the Arm could keep evolving into something huge and an actual supernatural battle could take place.

I realized the Black Lodge scenes in pt 2 might have just been a warm-up. But then it could also just end with Cooper silently playing bridge or something. These guys are very likely never going to get another Twin Peaks series and episode 12 was a fascinating case study of how they're using their time.

Def think this is hella funny, LG. I see slightly more people getting bored with the funny stuff but it's the other way around for me. They are truly perfecting it with every new episode.

Were the episodes shot more or less in order? Or was the filming of scenes all over the place? Because it certainly feels like they are getting more familiar with each other, esp the Cole/Albert/Tammy scenes, as they go along.

Lynch definitely falls back too much on making female characters shrill harridans being reactive in the face of stoic men who are reasonable and in control of their emotions.

I don't necessarily disagree in general, but the way her husband was behaving in that scene in no way fit any definition of "reasonable".

I don't think this is true. Hawk, Andy, Lucy, Bobby (esp Bobby!), Ben, Norma, Shelly, Sara Palmer, etc. are all p much as they were.

Bobby is completely different this time wtf? But he's completely different in a way that makes total sense given what's happened in the intervening years. Ben as well to some extent.

We know from Matthew Lillard that the interrogation scene a few eps ago was bell's first acting scene ever, so def not filmed in order xp

Ah yes you are correct wins

I like the idea of Ben being good now because being that bad is too exhausting, and ended up with him getting his head bashed into a fireplace.

But it was his (crap) attempt to be good that led to the fireplace bashing!

Yeah, bad example (even though it had to do with the sins of the past), but still 2017 Ben just seems like he doesn't have the drive for nefarious scheming, more than anything.

Do you think he lost his verve once Catherine left the picture?

It's probably a combination of things, maybe including seeing a maniacal grandson running around.

I'm pretty much convinced by the idea that the bug eater will be Sarah, mainly because it'll be the easiest to explain with a couple of lines of dialogue - "I was visited in the night as a child and it has grown with me ever since. I've always known what the offspring of Mother are doing."

Evidence still is a little sketchy but:

She's the right age
She's always been sensitive to movements in the Lodges, although in the original series it seemed to take the form of her crying or cowering in the corner
When Leland dies she completely shrugs it off more than anyone else - she was attaining shut-in status then suddenly she becomes the life and soul of the party, happily reminiscing about the past while all the rape and incest was going on
If, as has been suggested elsewhere, it's the logo of the jerky that catches her eye then it's the similarity to the Owl Cave Ring symbol that causes her change in personality
She's visited by the horse
I've seen photo comparisons elsewhere that try and link the way she's smiling in the doorway when Hawk turns up in Ep 12 is very similar to Bob's grimace
Going right back to the pilot, she is never told Laura is dead but she somehow knows - she phones Leland to say she's worried and is on the other end of the phone when the police turn up, but based on how Laura lived her life why would she be so concerned after an overnight stop-out?
She is literally "Mother"

Part of this is down to neat storytelling, which might be a false expectation. I think there will a large number of loose ends to be honest.

I think either the Log Lady or Sarah, both would make sense.

it took me 57 hours to get the turnip joke

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When Leland dies she completely shrugs it off more than anyone else - she was attaining shut-in status then suddenly she becomes the life and soul of the party

I hate the wake scene as much as anyone but this is not what happens, like, at all, in the slightest

I think it's a little girl in New Mexico tbh

Also a ton of people in the pilot seem to intuit what happened to Laura when they haven't really been given reason to think the worst, it's part of the sense of guilt & repressed knowledge surfacing

sense of guilt & repressed knowledge

good ol garmonbozia

IIRC the wake scenes just seemed like an excuse to introduce a load of shitty new characters at once.

I hate the wake scene as much as anyone but this is not what happens, like, at all, in the slightest

I watched it the other day. She's spent about the previous three episodes alternately crying and screaming, including having been physically abused by Leland. At the wake she sits on the sofa with Audrey on one side and Eileen Hayward on the other, telling heart warming stories about when Laura was a child and how Leland played with her. Hank brings her some food at the introduction to the scene "while it's still hot" and she thanks him for being so considerate (while giving facial signs to Eileen and Audrey that she doesn't really want to eat).

They pretty much abandon Sarah after that until the finale, she was of no interest at all to the collection of writers that took over in Frost/Lynch's absence.

And she wasn't even in the original script for the finale: her turn as a medium in the RR diner was one of Lynch's ideas during filming.

Were the episodes shot more or less in order? Or was the filming of scenes all over the place? Because it certainly feels like they are getting more familiar with each other, esp the Cole/Albert/Tammy scenes, as they go along.

Since they shot the entire season in one go, with the exception of reshoots there's not really any reason to believe they didn't shoot all of the NYC penthouse scenes in one go, the Twin Peaks scenes/roadhouse scenes all in a row, the Las Vegas stuff all at once, etc. It's just more logical and economical to do it that way, so any time you see MacLachlan in multiple roles within an episode, it's probably footage filmed months apart

Tangentially related, but I thought this was a loving parody (it aired on SMACKDOWN LIVE last night).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xayP9ErP5Nw

According to Dean Hurley, all the Roadhouse performances were supposed to be shot together, so I'd agree with mh's speculation:

From the get-go, David wanted bands to fill the bar, like Julee Cruise did at the roadhouse in the original. She was the house band. This time, Lynch wanted a bunch of different bands and to shoot them all in one day, and then find places for them within the show.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/twin-peaks-music-dean-hurley-interview-1202470579/

I think either the Log Lady or Sarah, both would make sense.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, August 2, 2017 6:43 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

per the twin peaks secret history book the log lady grew up in twin peaks (and was abducted by a "ufo," along with carl (i think?) and someone else, as children)

Yeah, Margaret Coulson went missing with Carl and Alan Traherne when they were kids and all came back with the same patterns as Garland Briggs but behind their knees. I attribute her sensitivity to that event.

so she didn't grow up in new mexico

that smackdown thing must have been completely baffling to those who don't know twin peaks!

http://twinpeaksgazette.com/2017/07/01/who-is-the-boy-and-girl-in-part-8/

This is a pretty crude summary of potential candidates in the well-known cast and why it's not them.

I assume people may have already seen this elsewhere, but the final episode descriptions have been released:

17: "The past dictates the future."
18: "What is your name?"

_I hate the wake scene as much as anyone but this is not what happens, like, at all, in the slightest_

I watched it the other day. She's spent about the previous three episodes alternately crying and screaming, including having been physically abused by Leland. At the wake she sits on the sofa with Audrey on one side and Eileen Hayward on the other, telling heart warming stories about when Laura was a child and how Leland played with her. Hank brings her some food at the introduction to the scene "while it's still hot" and she thanks him for being so considerate (while giving facial signs to Eileen and Audrey that she doesn't really want to eat).

I don't think sitting on a couch and being polite to hank makes her "the life and soul of the party". She's putting on a show of strength the way people do at funerals but nothing in her performance indicates shrugging it off. The writers at that point were going to great lengths to excuse Leland & this scene immediately follows Cooper telling her he wasn't really the killer & was forgiven by Laura in a vision - the reminiscences (remembering the good, BOBless times) fit with this sanitised version of events but otherwise she's the only character in this scene who's acting like they're at a wake! The scene ends with her refusing a sedative for the first time & saying "I want to remember everything" and then yeah we don't see her again until the finale. I don't see any evidence she ever "got over it", certainly not the devastated wreck of a woman we see in the new season.

Point being getting "Sarah is possessed" from any of this is a major stretch imo. Pointing to her grimace in one scene as evidence of anything is like, have you ever seen grace zabriskie before?

http://twinpeaksgazette.com/2017/07/01/who-is-the-boy-and-girl-in-part-8🕸/

This is a pretty crude summary of potential candidates in the well-known cast and why it's not them.

Without clicking, is it mostly "because twin peaks is not in New Mexico"?

We'll have to disagree. She seems to be the nexus of the wake to me, and especially if unsedated for the first time since maybe Laura's murder she seems remarkably together; more so than she was while sedated. I have to consider that it's the things Cooper tells her that give her comfort and the change of mindset, and I'd argue that can only really be true if she knows and understands what BOB is and maybe always did. The alternative is that it's Leland that did it all (because Cooper hasn't told her Leland admits he did it himself some of the time, BOBless) so how can she know when it started and what memories are unsullied?

I'm only going down the route because I feel the kids from Ep 8 have to be somebody we know (or at least one of them does) and accruing circumstantial evidence seems to be as close as we're going to get.

Of course, the girl could be Linda or Judy.

Without clicking, is it mostly "because twin peaks is not in New Mexico"?

Some of it is. The rest is 'age range is wrong'.

I feel the kids from Ep 8 have to be somebody we know

big leap here, imo

I know. Call me Bob Beamon.

making an assumption based on common/typical narrative structures and then casting about for evidence to support this assumption doesn't seem like the most appropriate way to engage with Lynch imo. Since he doesn't really adhere to standard narrative conventions in any way.

It's tangled because the writing is so clumsy at that point - they're clearly trying to breeze past it as quickly as possible so they can get to the good stuff with dougie milford - but my interpretation is that Sarah does know about BOB and is aware of Leland's abuse of Laura and her own failure to intervene, at least on some level, and this is central to her character. The "wash your hands" scene in fwwm makes this clear but there are other indications xps

I think that's otm -- tho the presence of the little convenience store seems to tie it to Leland's description of meeting Bob (which is why I doubt one of those kids is Sarah).

the problem w/looking for "clues" in Lynch work is that he loves things like "coincidences" -- stuff that could be meaningful, or could be meaningless (except in the sense that we are all connected in some way or another anyway).