bannon's fp is what trump ran on.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:24 (six years ago) link
Are you joking?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:33 (six years ago) link
Trump bought into a lot more of Bannon's ideology than his fp, lol
Not that that has anything to do with what I'm getting at.
gg is either supporting the democracy principle even when it results in things he doesn't like, and/or he is more in favor of bannon's isolationist/nativist fp than the "deep state's" - both seem justifiable positions to me. what's insanely stupid is that he's talking about mcmaster and mattis as tho they're unelected officials undermining the potus's agenda but the potus appointed both of them and can fire both of them - they are a result of the democratic will, not some kind of anti-trump alliance.
― Mordy, Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:35 (six years ago) link
he is more in favor of bannon's isolationist/nativist fp than the "deep state's"
This is my assumption (because your first solution is undermined by your explanation in the next few sentences), and I'm noting there might be some overlap between his frustrated patriotism and the isolationism/nativism.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 10 August 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link
Bump
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 October 2017 13:11 (six years ago) link
Expanding scope of thread to include general douchiness and asshattery at The Intercept:https://www.theroot.com/hey-i-can-play-this-game-too-guys-1819822866
FOIA requests are a tactic used to expose vast corruption, dirty cops and human rights abuses, not to snoop after other journalists who say things you don’t like. I guess Fang was hoping to find some type of nefarious collusion between me and the Stacey Abrams campaign (which is ironic, since I thought The Intercept didn’t believe in collusion).I’m surprised that Fang thinks I’d be dumb enough to communicate with any political source on my work email. That’s Journalism 101. He might need to retake that class; I’ll save him a seat when I teach it next fall.I honored the FOIA request, but I didn’t have anything to give him because there was nothing to give.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 October 2017 13:14 (six years ago) link
lol @ Angry Loomis though
Recent great hires at The Intercept have forced me off of my position to never read anything sponsored by that site curated by racist Rand Paul-curious dishonest libertarian Russian stooge Glenn Greenwald.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 October 2017 13:17 (six years ago) link
I was wondering if you bumped this thread because of Loomis.
I read LGM every morning but Loomis' old-dude-discovers-Facebook prose style gets on my nerves at times.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 October 2017 13:25 (six years ago) link
I get aggravated at Loomis because he is so prolific and knowledgeable it makes me feel like a bum
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 October 2017 13:48 (six years ago) link
I thought The Intercept didn’t believe in collusion
ooh "sick burn" I believe it's called
boring thread, boring Democrats, boring world
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 October 2017 14:10 (six years ago) link
"a bunch of frustrated Bernie Bro friends"
(psst, stopped reading here)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 October 2017 14:26 (six years ago) link
this sensationalist bullshit wasn't fact-checked with anybody who actually works in the field - but as soon as they got some scans on russian hackers targeting election systems, they immediately went to their IC buddies for corroboration.
https://theintercept.com/2018/01/19/voice-recognition-technology-nsa/
fuck the intercept, fuck omidyar, and fuck greenwald. the entire first look media enterprise is a unprincipled tabloid trash fire that makes the new york times editorial page and chris cillizza smell like fucking roses
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 28 January 2018 00:54 (six years ago) link
do you mean the NYT op-ed page
― k3vin k., Sunday, 28 January 2018 01:42 (six years ago) link
yeah, being serious, I'll take that part back - nyt editorials are implicated in hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths so, fine, first look media is superior
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 28 January 2018 01:44 (six years ago) link
Dude shared an article from The Federalist today.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
need more data
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:09 (six years ago) link
With an open mind, please read @MZHemingway on how the US media's mindless, shocking acceptance of every claim from "Hamilton68" - a group formed by Bill Kristol, CIA officials & various neocons - has deceived millions w/false stories. It's a scandal https://t.co/Gn6w398cVA— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) February 22, 2018
here's the piece in question if we're interested in more than just gotcha stuff - which on this thread ilx basically isn't
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
best things about the piece: has a link to a video of Adrien Chen appearing on MSNBC and a link to this Masha Gessen article.
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
I was looking for support in the article for the claim that Hamilton 68 has deceived millions , but I didn’t see it.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
Would have been better to just link the Gessen piece (although there’s some super questionable cherry picking in that) instead of effectively endorsing someone’s argument that Nunes should be taken at face value. Chen was good on Hayes but his pints probably shouldn’t be appropriated for the goal post shifting of others.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 22 February 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
Reading the piece with an open mind. First line: Last week, Laurence Tribe suggested, without evidence, that a plane crash in Russia was related to fallout from the Russian dossier operation orchestrated and funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Um no, we're done here. What the fuck is wrong with this dude?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
you have fucking evidence for everything, dontcha, Fuckerik?
but lol you do have an open mind (I can feel the draft from here)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
What on earth is wrong with you to?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link
here doll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier#cite_note-WaPo-paidresearch-14
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
I was gonna say, if that's the controversial part, I thought that was pretty well known?
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:18 (six years ago) link
I think Fred took issue with the linkage to a plane crash in Russia without evidence
― Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
IIRC Tribe tweeted about the crash that supposedly killed a political enemy, who it turned out wasn't on the plane? (I can't recall if he explicitly suggested it was tied to the dossier's contents.)
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link
Holy christ that anyone on here would be okay with calling this 'the Russian dossier operation orchestrated and funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign'
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link
That's like Benghazi-level right wing conspiracy language.
buuuut it's troo?
so ja i'm OK with it
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
the gessen piece is worthy of some discussion on a different thread imho
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:39 (six years ago) link
I think I already linked it.....somewhere, at some point. all these threads move fast.
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:41 (six years ago) link
Morbs, you're insane. It's not true, it's what the Devin Nunes spin says. Are you watching Fox News all day?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:45 (six years ago) link
Wait, are we going along with the implication that that alone makes the dossier info less credible or just saying it’s fair to acknowledge it began as oppo research?
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:47 (six years ago) link
The latter.
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link
yes
F, get some help
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:55 (six years ago) link
She is clearly not saying the latter. She is calling the whole Russian investigation fallout from the dossier, which is the Nunes bullshit.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:56 (six years ago) link
"Hillary Clinton is a lizard person who didn't visit Wisconsin""Holy shit, what's wrong with this idiot?""What?!?!?! She didn't visit Wisconsin. FUCKYOUFUCKYOURAKJSBRÅOAUBÅTGBÅ"
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:59 (six years ago) link
She refers to it as “the discredited dossier” at one point.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
presumably GG is not endorsing every single assertion by Ms Hemingway
but really guys keep yr trashfire going
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link
That’s true. Shouldn’t discount possibility that he only the part of the article that mentioned him.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 22 February 2018 22:36 (six years ago) link
morbs your favorite crew is shilling for a hack opportunist, how u feel??
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/22/emilys-list-laura-moser-texas-congress/
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 23 February 2018 00:45 (six years ago) link
pretty good debate
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/21/video-glenn-greenwald-and-james-risen-debate-the-trumprussia-investigation/
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 23 February 2018 00:49 (six years ago) link
tetra, i don't even care to click, and my fave crew is the '73 Mets
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 04:26 (six years ago) link
actually dude, most anything that pisses off EMILY's List is fine with me
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:33 (six years ago) link
One of his best moments
Yes, I do. And I'd be happy to bet you any amount of money that he will.— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 18, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:41 (six years ago) link
would find greenwald perfectly defensible if he never tweeted
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link
most of his tweets are fine tbh
― Simon H., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link