Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

They have thousands of people - most of them giving just $5 a month - giving them all that money. What's the issue? Where's the damage? It got popular. I love how so many writers & podcast people are so pissy about how much money CTH is making, it's just jealousy. Patreon is a great model for artists to support themselves - I like what CTH does, I pay $5 a month, and get a lot of content for a pretty low price relative to most other subscription services. Again, what's the problem? I've heard lots of fans talk about how much money they're making with this kind of suspicious/disdainful tone - I really don't understand it. They're not being bankrolled by anyone but their fans. That fucking rules.

Uh yeah I wasn't clear. I'm not against them making money, I'm against purity tests and witch hunts, and especially hypocrisy regarding who on the left is allowed to seek/obtain/possess money without automatically becoming a Bad Guy

"I'm against purity tests and witch hunts but i want a witch hunt in this case"

xp i was responding to GT

I mean, shouldn't that cash be distributed around the rough-hewn wood table of the commune, along with the potatoes and sheaves of wheat?

I'm funny sometimes I wish I had a one hundred grand

Not even per month, a one-off payment would suffice

What's the issue? Where's the damage? It got popular. I love how so many writers & podcast people are so pissy about how much money CTH is making, it's just jealousy.

lmao

all criticism of how much money they're making boils down to "they don't deserve it" / "the show isn't good" / "they should be doing something with it"

i love that they're making a ton of money almost entirely from small donations from their fans. that rules. what exactly is the issue?

Is that money a consequence of CTH's needs, or their ability?

all criticism of how much money they're making boils down to "they don't deserve it" / "the show isn't good" / "they should be doing something with it"

wow, sounds like every socialist critique ever

http://www.alternet.org/sites/default/files/bo160913.png

xp lmao i know, it's so ridiculous.

If you won't allow your interlocutor to play devil's advocate for a moment, then I will tip my trilby to you and bid you good day

I mean, shouldn't that cash be distributed around the rough-hewn wood table of the commune, along with the potatoes and sheaves of wheat?

"If you love socialism so much why don't you move to North Korea?!?!"

Gotta confess that I'm trolling into the void here because I listened to 10 minutes of one of their podcasts before deciding I couldn't bear another second of these assholes and their loathsome personalities.

Also I'm grumpy cause my Bernie-loving best friend has, in the last 24 hours, come out in favor of the Google "women are stupid" guy and somehow talked himself into being anti-abortion based on an argument from the fetus' right to decide whether or not it gets a circumcision (!?). So I'm reeling

damn wtf

he's.... impressionable.

But also I think there are a lot of idiots out there just like him who are being damaged and alienated by whatever it is that CTH is a part of!

well they're not pro-life and afaik not supportive of the google dude, though it hasn't been discussed on the show & i haven't seen any of them tweet about it. i'd be surprised if they supported google dude

Apparently! Jfc

Xp

I think their last live show went to benefit a pro-choice group?

No idea how one dumbass becoming a pro-life misogynist reflects on a podcast that doesn't support either of those.

What on earth is it that makes you think CTH have anything to do with each other beyond your friend liking Bernie? CTH regularly make fun of Silicon Valley turds and featured a segment (admittedly an outtake) where a host who'd had an abortion confronted a pro-life hardliner.

because he's trolling

it doesn't make sense to me either, but guys like him hear people talking shit about "YAAAASS" and stuff like that and pick up on that dog whistle (and it is a dog whistle)

for what

if disliking cis straight white women using the vernacular of queer people of colour is wrong i don't want to be right

doubt that'll ever be a concern

the mordant wit of sleepingbag strikes again

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i finally listened to this for the first time just a few of these like one w David Cross on The Orb the ones with Ricky Rawls and the one right after the election. generally they are pretty otm. kinda surprised at how tame this is for all the "dirtbag" marketing talk its not really any more profane than most podcasts.

i heard they are really into Metal Gear, are there any episodes where they go deep into some Metal Gear conspiracies?

felix and virgil are the gamers. felix talks exclusively about mgs on this other podcast

https://no-cartridge.net/?name=2017-05-12_ep20.mp3

yes! Felix interviewed David Hayter a while ago. iirc it was a premium episode. he also went on someone else's podcast and talked about MGS2 in particular. always loved MGS, especially Sons of Liberty.

haha i missed him interviewing david hayter

it should be noted that at least one of them (matt) is explicitly anti-gamer, so they've got the whole ideological spectrum covered

Felix interviewing David Hayter was on the Scumbag podcast, the show he does/did with Ed Zitron, iirc

It was a pretty dull segment tbh, Hayter might be the only lib Felix has ever been nice to lol

Just to back up here, the whole thing with the way people are currently doing the "YAAAAAAS" criticism is that when I've seen it come from a person of color, it has been an unambiguous criticism, but when I've seen it come from white people, particularly white men, it looks exactly like the behavior it purports to be criticizing, only with a side-helping of scorn directed toward the target of the "YAAAAAAS" (the most recent iteration of this I've seen was a recent Facebook post from a former ILXor that tried to mix posting a critique of Kamala Harris with a "yaaaaas queen" jab at white female liberals that just looked to me and several other people like he was making fun of Kamala Harris, which of course was part of the subtext of his critique but not in his conscious intent; as I said to him, "Your intent was to mock white appropriation of black culture by... performing white appropriation of black culture? I'm sure you can see how intent can get lost here?")

This has little to nothing to do with the Chapo guys but if you guys are going to talk about that line of criticism, you should know the knife is cutting both ways.

kinda surprised at how tame this is for all the "dirtbag" marketing talk its not really any more profane than most podcasts.

I think it's more a connotation akin to "vulgar," of lesser class and common folk rather than high-falutin' professionals and intellectuals

Yes, for the real dirtbagness you need to head to Cum Town, which I do not personally recommend

found the link to the interview - thanks!

https://soundcloud.com/user-884696369/the-scumbag-podcast-episode-19-metal-gear-squalid-with-david-hayter

ill have to listen to this later. yeah MGS2 came out in 2001 pre-9/11 and was really prescient in so many ways of the New Media and 21st century politics. i can think of movies and books i've finished and went back to the real world stunned from having had a transformative experience, MGS2 is the only game that has ever done that for me.

Dammit, I can't find the Mg2 joke on twitter someone made with that CNN panel screengrab of all greying white guys

snake... have you ever heard of 'les enfants terribles?' pic.twitter.com/zzWO78WPfL

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That's it, thankee

kinda think of "dirtbag left" in this context as more of an ethos. which means the Street Fight boys might fit the bill better than CTH or CumTown, even though they're actually very sweet and not really vulgar at all.

unless you're a cop. in which case fuck you, bud.

I like the street fight guys v much despite the fact that they're anarchists and I find their show interminable