like, i follow various liberals on twitter and it's never occurred to me to follow chuck schumer
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 22:31 (six years ago) link
I've commented on this in vociferous anti-racist terms on other forums, and been downvoted into oblivion. There's a lot (or at least appears to be a lot) of them, they want their race war and ethnic Bantustans, they think they're winning, they think "It's Happening", and they're happy.
As with the election of Trump, the response to this has made me deeply ashamed of the country of my birth.
― #IMPOTUS (Sanpaku), Saturday, 12 August 2017 22:32 (six years ago) link
it is quite alarming to see but you have to remind yourself that if 90% of americans thought BLM was worse than these alt right fools trump wouldn't have a 35% approval rating
― the late great, Saturday, 12 August 2017 22:40 (six years ago) link
It's so galling. If there was not rampant police violence against black people, there would be no BLM. If there were no fascists, there would be no Antifa. But the only things that would make fascism vanish would be no blacks, no Jews, no gay people ...
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 August 2017 22:41 (six years ago) link
Like most people are looking at this shitshow today and their first response is democrats aren't doing enough to stand up to BLM?
β Moodles
possibly twitter is an irredeemable shithole and people whose first response is to respond to chuck schumer's tweet on the attack do not represent the cream of humanity?
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 12 August 2017 22:43 (six years ago) link
...no immigrants, no uppity women, no Muslims, no atheists, no environmentalists, no scientists...
Going back too few generations no Catholics, no Irish-Americans, no Italian-Americans.
IMO, any president who doesn't single out white nationalists and condemn them in the most uncertain terms doesn't understand America, and its role in the world.
Fuck him. Mississippi Goddamn.
― #IMPOTUS (Sanpaku), Saturday, 12 August 2017 22:49 (six years ago) link
Fuck.
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 12 August 2017 22:52 (six years ago) link
Trump has offered his support for...a police officer who died today?
Deepest condolences to the families & fellow officers of the VA State Police who died today. You're all among the best this nation produces.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 12, 2017
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 22:56 (six years ago) link
Police helicopter crashed, two fatalities
― devvvine, Saturday, 12 August 2017 22:57 (six years ago) link
i mean, that's good i guess. i didn't realize a police officer died today. but, it'd be cool if he also offered his condolences to the family of the woman who died today at the hands of a neo-nazi attending a rally that he refused to specifically condemn
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 22:58 (six years ago) link
helicopter crash? wtf is going on?
― the late great, Saturday, 12 August 2017 22:58 (six years ago) link
rushomancy, I'm sure you are at least partially correct, but seeing their numbers and the events of the past day really clarifies the mind. US nazis can't just be laughed off or ignored, they need to be confronted head on.
― Moodles, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:01 (six years ago) link
jesus christ, in the second video Karl posted, you can see a shoe either falling off the car or out of the carβs front grill.
― mh, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:01 (six years ago) link
Still hasn't condemned the bombing of a Minnesota mosque this week. Seb Gorka says is a "false flag".
― #IMPOTUS (Sanpaku), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
This is the guy wrongly accused by 4chan fwiw
https://www.facebook.com/joel.notavailable/posts/10208922637693890
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:04 (six years ago) link
ok, but how the hell does one "confront" people whose response to confrontation is to drive a fucking car at you?
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:12 (six years ago) link
Murder them first imo
― softie (silby), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:17 (six years ago) link
Tired of ppl calling themselves "the resistance" w/o seeking to put guns in ppl's hands
π
― the late great, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:19 (six years ago) link
these assholes are better at killing and are quicker to resort to violence. they will _always_ be better at killing and quicker to resort to violence. i'm not going to shoot anybody or run over richard spencer with a car.
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:20 (six years ago) link
I don't want to win, I just want to murder a Nazi, any Nazi
― softie (silby), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:22 (six years ago) link
― the late great, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:22 (six years ago) link
then you need to listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCgtCGMHhzM
you can't listen to novelty moog pop and maintain a state of murderous rage
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:24 (six years ago) link
I only have two moods, anxiety-driven quietism and violent fantasies
― softie (silby), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:25 (six years ago) link
There should be more leftist terrorism in this country though, can't abide the terror gap
Sorry I deleted twitter off my phone so this is the text box I'm spewing bullshit into today
― softie (silby), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link
Very understandable, but please do not go out and attack the nearest local nazi - they'll be a nasty, tooled up piece of work, and whether they attack you back or you get arrested, you'd be wasting what power you do have to effect change for the better
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:29 (six years ago) link
i thought we were all old people here. don't spew your violent fantasies onto a public discussion board? is kind of rule one here?
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:31 (six years ago) link
xp i feel you silby i have violent fantasies too (cf are you considering buying a gun thread) when i see this stuff but i feel like it's more corrosive to the spirit than cathartic to put them out there
― the late great, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:34 (six years ago) link
it'd be cool if he also offered his condolences to the family of the woman who died today
He did that too, with his usual eloquence and wisdom.
Condolences to the family of the young woman killed today, and best regards to all of those injured, in Charlottesville, Virginia. So sad!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 12, 2017
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:36 (six years ago) link
I feel uplifted. Like I've just farted.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:38 (six years ago) link
eh, i'm glad he eventually got around to it. honestly i thought he'd just never acknowledge what happened.
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:40 (six years ago) link
my bar is set very, very low for donald trump
A number of liberal gun owners have been more vocal of late.
I'm not adverse to documenting names addresses etc of confirmed neo-Nazis. In the event they get their civil war and the FBI doesn't take care of them.
― #IMPOTUS (Sanpaku), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:41 (six years ago) link
it would be nice to know where they work so i can make sure i never give any money to their employer
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link
If done as a public archive, they may never find employment.
― #IMPOTUS (Sanpaku), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:44 (six years ago) link
Though I think the sponsors of any such archive should make provisions for sincere apologies and personal growth.
― #IMPOTUS (Sanpaku), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:45 (six years ago) link
best regards to all who were injured, hope this tweet finds you well, injured, but well
― j., Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:57 (six years ago) link
so sad! in the crying sense! not the pathetic one!
― j., Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:58 (six years ago) link
Agree all the nazis should be doxxed and publicly shamed get on it 4chan og wai
― Ξα½ΟΞΉΟ, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:03 (six years ago) link
A respectful email signoff to all of those injured
― jmm, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:07 (six years ago) link
when i think back to the trump years and twitter i'll just think
Great! Sad! Great! Sad! So Great! So Sad! Great! Sad!
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:13 (six years ago) link
alt-right before alt-right was alt!
https://www.thenation.com/article/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:14 (six years ago) link
Gofundme for medical costs for the injured victims
― #IMPOTUS (Sanpaku), Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:27 (six years ago) link
I have no theoretical problem with violence against nazis, it's more of a strategic and tactical issue for me - what are you trying to accomplish and how does whatever tactic you use further your goals? Punching Spencer on camera was great. It made him look weak. It made a perfect viral meme. Nazi violence works differently. The goal of driving a car into protesters is to intimidate, to make people think twice about showing up. Same with open carry. Same with carrying torches and yelling. Only a handful of actual violent incidents, only one fatal, but the goal is to terrorize. The question is can anti-nazis effectively intimidate nazis and is that the best approach? I think it's much better, if possible, to just be present in absolutely overwhelmingly greater numbers. That's intimidating too. But they can provoke and use asymmetric tactics (like driving a car into a crowd). I'm not really sure what the answer is, just this is how I'm trying to think about it. How do you win the ground battle? How do you win the media battle?
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:33 (six years ago) link
But randomly lashing out and punching nazis scattershot is not necessarily effective. These alt right groups are more disciplined than that.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:34 (six years ago) link
Out on FB folks are already blowing up photos of these fools, isolating faces in squares, and writing "do you know me, are you my employer, I was at a nazi rally in charlottesville va on 8/12/17"
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:36 (six years ago) link
xp i think you're right about numbers. i think large groups of people using nonviolent tactics for a just cause can and will eventually win
― the late great, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:36 (six years ago) link
i would guess that 9 out of 10 of those responses are from people who either identify with the alt-right or have condoned them through silence over the last year and are too far in to back out without ostracizing them from their shitty friends
β Karl Malone, Saturday, August 12, 2017
late to this, but I think there are a lot of bots/multiple online identities at work here
as I mentioned, this is my hometown. A high school friend's son was among those injured by the car, thankfully not seriously.
http://www.mkgandhi.org/speeches/dandi_march.htm
― sleeve, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:44 (six years ago) link
(I can only hope that this is a national moment similar to the Salt March incidents)
― sleeve, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:46 (six years ago) link