the alt-right

it is quite alarming to see but you have to remind yourself that if 90% of americans thought BLM was worse than these alt right fools trump wouldn't have a 35% approval rating

It's so galling. If there was not rampant police violence against black people, there would be no BLM. If there were no fascists, there would be no Antifa. But the only things that would make fascism vanish would be no blacks, no Jews, no gay people ...

Like most people are looking at this shitshow today and their first response is democrats aren't doing enough to stand up to BLM?

― Moodles

possibly twitter is an irredeemable shithole and people whose first response is to respond to chuck schumer's tweet on the attack do not represent the cream of humanity?

...no immigrants, no uppity women, no Muslims, no atheists, no environmentalists, no scientists...

Going back too few generations no Catholics, no Irish-Americans, no Italian-Americans.

IMO, any president who doesn't single out white nationalists and condemn them in the most uncertain terms doesn't understand America, and its role in the world.

Fuck him. Mississippi Goddamn.

Fuck.

Trump has offered his support for...a police officer who died today?

Deepest condolences to the families & fellow officers of the VA State Police who died today. You're all among the best this nation produces.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 12, 2017

Police helicopter crashed, two fatalities

i mean, that's good i guess. i didn't realize a police officer died today. but, it'd be cool if he also offered his condolences to the family of the woman who died today at the hands of a neo-nazi attending a rally that he refused to specifically condemn

helicopter crash? wtf is going on?

rushomancy, I'm sure you are at least partially correct, but seeing their numbers and the events of the past day really clarifies the mind. US nazis can't just be laughed off or ignored, they need to be confronted head on.

jesus christ, in the second video Karl posted, you can see a shoe either falling off the car or out of the car’s front grill.

Still hasn't condemned the bombing of a Minnesota mosque this week. Seb Gorka says is a "false flag".

This is the guy wrongly accused by 4chan fwiw

https://www.facebook.com/joel.notavailable/posts/10208922637693890

rushomancy, I'm sure you are at least partially correct, but seeing their numbers and the events of the past day really clarifies the mind. US nazis can't just be laughed off or ignored, they need to be confronted head on.

― Moodles

ok, but how the hell does one "confront" people whose response to confrontation is to drive a fucking car at you?

Murder them first imo

Tired of ppl calling themselves "the resistance" w/o seeking to put guns in ppl's hands

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these assholes are better at killing and are quicker to resort to violence. they will _always_ be better at killing and quicker to resort to violence. i'm not going to shoot anybody or run over richard spencer with a car.

I don't want to win, I just want to murder a Nazi, any Nazi

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then you need to listen to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCgtCGMHhzM

you can't listen to novelty moog pop and maintain a state of murderous rage

I only have two moods, anxiety-driven quietism and violent fantasies

There should be more leftist terrorism in this country though, can't abide the terror gap

Sorry I deleted twitter off my phone so this is the text box I'm spewing bullshit into today

Very understandable, but please do not go out and attack the nearest local nazi - they'll be a nasty, tooled up piece of work, and whether they attack you back or you get arrested, you'd be wasting what power you do have to effect change for the better

i thought we were all old people here. don't spew your violent fantasies onto a public discussion board? is kind of rule one here?

xp i feel you silby i have violent fantasies too (cf are you considering buying a gun thread) when i see this stuff but i feel like it's more corrosive to the spirit than cathartic to put them out there

it'd be cool if he also offered his condolences to the family of the woman who died today

He did that too, with his usual eloquence and wisdom.

Condolences to the family of the young woman killed today, and best regards to all of those injured, in Charlottesville, Virginia. So sad!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 12, 2017

I feel uplifted. Like I've just farted.

eh, i'm glad he eventually got around to it. honestly i thought he'd just never acknowledge what happened.

my bar is set very, very low for donald trump

A number of liberal gun owners have been more vocal of late.

I'm not adverse to documenting names addresses etc of confirmed neo-Nazis. In the event they get their civil war and the FBI doesn't take care of them.

it would be nice to know where they work so i can make sure i never give any money to their employer

If done as a public archive, they may never find employment.

Though I think the sponsors of any such archive should make provisions for sincere apologies and personal growth.

best regards to all who were injured, hope this tweet finds you well, injured, but well

so sad! in the crying sense! not the pathetic one!

Agree all the nazis should be doxxed and publicly shamed get on it 4chan og wai

A respectful email signoff to all of those injured

when i think back to the trump years and twitter i'll just think

Great! Sad! Great! Sad! So Great! So Sad! Great! Sad!

alt-right before alt-right was alt!

https://www.thenation.com/article/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/

Gofundme for medical costs for the injured victims

I have no theoretical problem with violence against nazis, it's more of a strategic and tactical issue for me - what are you trying to accomplish and how does whatever tactic you use further your goals? Punching Spencer on camera was great. It made him look weak. It made a perfect viral meme. Nazi violence works differently. The goal of driving a car into protesters is to intimidate, to make people think twice about showing up. Same with open carry. Same with carrying torches and yelling. Only a handful of actual violent incidents, only one fatal, but the goal is to terrorize. The question is can anti-nazis effectively intimidate nazis and is that the best approach? I think it's much better, if possible, to just be present in absolutely overwhelmingly greater numbers. That's intimidating too. But they can provoke and use asymmetric tactics (like driving a car into a crowd). I'm not really sure what the answer is, just this is how I'm trying to think about it. How do you win the ground battle? How do you win the media battle?

But randomly lashing out and punching nazis scattershot is not necessarily effective. These alt right groups are more disciplined than that.

Out on FB folks are already blowing up photos of these fools, isolating faces in squares, and writing "do you know me, are you my employer, I was at a nazi rally in charlottesville va on 8/12/17"

xp i think you're right about numbers. i think large groups of people using nonviolent tactics for a just cause can and will eventually win

i would guess that 9 out of 10 of those responses are from people who either identify with the alt-right or have condoned them through silence over the last year and are too far in to back out without ostracizing them from their shitty friends

― Karl Malone, Saturday, August 12, 2017

late to this, but I think there are a lot of bots/multiple online identities at work here

as I mentioned, this is my hometown. A high school friend's son was among those injured by the car, thankfully not seriously.

http://www.mkgandhi.org/speeches/dandi_march.htm

(I can only hope that this is a national moment similar to the Salt March incidents)

Driver identified as James Alex Fields Jr.

A man with the same name and age was booked Saturday on suspicion of second-degree murder, malicious wounding, failure to stop for an accident involving a death, and hit and run

Elsewhere, he's identified as former US Army and registered Republican.

These alt right groups are more disciplined than that.

Lol r u serious these ppl are clowns playing dress up and should be ridiculed (and punched, when necessary) as such. The dude driving the car was sime 19 yo panicky jackass from toledo.