helicopter crash? wtf is going on?
― the late great, Saturday, 12 August 2017 22:58 (six years ago) link
rushomancy, I'm sure you are at least partially correct, but seeing their numbers and the events of the past day really clarifies the mind. US nazis can't just be laughed off or ignored, they need to be confronted head on.
― Moodles, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:01 (six years ago) link
jesus christ, in the second video Karl posted, you can see a shoe either falling off the car or out of the car’s front grill.
― mh, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:01 (six years ago) link
Still hasn't condemned the bombing of a Minnesota mosque this week. Seb Gorka says is a "false flag".
― #IMPOTUS (Sanpaku), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
This is the guy wrongly accused by 4chan fwiw
https://www.facebook.com/joel.notavailable/posts/10208922637693890
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:04 (six years ago) link
― Moodles
ok, but how the hell does one "confront" people whose response to confrontation is to drive a fucking car at you?
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:12 (six years ago) link
Murder them first imo
― softie (silby), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:17 (six years ago) link
Tired of ppl calling themselves "the resistance" w/o seeking to put guns in ppl's hands
🙄
― the late great, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:19 (six years ago) link
these assholes are better at killing and are quicker to resort to violence. they will _always_ be better at killing and quicker to resort to violence. i'm not going to shoot anybody or run over richard spencer with a car.
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:20 (six years ago) link
I don't want to win, I just want to murder a Nazi, any Nazi
― softie (silby), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:22 (six years ago) link
― the late great, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:22 (six years ago) link
then you need to listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCgtCGMHhzM
you can't listen to novelty moog pop and maintain a state of murderous rage
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:24 (six years ago) link
I only have two moods, anxiety-driven quietism and violent fantasies
― softie (silby), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:25 (six years ago) link
There should be more leftist terrorism in this country though, can't abide the terror gap
Sorry I deleted twitter off my phone so this is the text box I'm spewing bullshit into today
― softie (silby), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link
Very understandable, but please do not go out and attack the nearest local nazi - they'll be a nasty, tooled up piece of work, and whether they attack you back or you get arrested, you'd be wasting what power you do have to effect change for the better
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:29 (six years ago) link
i thought we were all old people here. don't spew your violent fantasies onto a public discussion board? is kind of rule one here?
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:31 (six years ago) link
xp i feel you silby i have violent fantasies too (cf are you considering buying a gun thread) when i see this stuff but i feel like it's more corrosive to the spirit than cathartic to put them out there
― the late great, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:34 (six years ago) link
it'd be cool if he also offered his condolences to the family of the woman who died today
He did that too, with his usual eloquence and wisdom.
Condolences to the family of the young woman killed today, and best regards to all of those injured, in Charlottesville, Virginia. So sad!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 12, 2017
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:36 (six years ago) link
I feel uplifted. Like I've just farted.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:38 (six years ago) link
eh, i'm glad he eventually got around to it. honestly i thought he'd just never acknowledge what happened.
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:40 (six years ago) link
my bar is set very, very low for donald trump
A number of liberal gun owners have been more vocal of late.
I'm not adverse to documenting names addresses etc of confirmed neo-Nazis. In the event they get their civil war and the FBI doesn't take care of them.
― #IMPOTUS (Sanpaku), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:41 (six years ago) link
it would be nice to know where they work so i can make sure i never give any money to their employer
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link
If done as a public archive, they may never find employment.
― #IMPOTUS (Sanpaku), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:44 (six years ago) link
Though I think the sponsors of any such archive should make provisions for sincere apologies and personal growth.
― #IMPOTUS (Sanpaku), Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:45 (six years ago) link
best regards to all who were injured, hope this tweet finds you well, injured, but well
― j., Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:57 (six years ago) link
so sad! in the crying sense! not the pathetic one!
― j., Saturday, 12 August 2017 23:58 (six years ago) link
Agree all the nazis should be doxxed and publicly shamed get on it 4chan og wai
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:03 (six years ago) link
A respectful email signoff to all of those injured
― jmm, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:07 (six years ago) link
when i think back to the trump years and twitter i'll just think
Great! Sad! Great! Sad! So Great! So Sad! Great! Sad!
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:13 (six years ago) link
alt-right before alt-right was alt!
https://www.thenation.com/article/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:14 (six years ago) link
Gofundme for medical costs for the injured victims
― #IMPOTUS (Sanpaku), Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:27 (six years ago) link
I have no theoretical problem with violence against nazis, it's more of a strategic and tactical issue for me - what are you trying to accomplish and how does whatever tactic you use further your goals? Punching Spencer on camera was great. It made him look weak. It made a perfect viral meme. Nazi violence works differently. The goal of driving a car into protesters is to intimidate, to make people think twice about showing up. Same with open carry. Same with carrying torches and yelling. Only a handful of actual violent incidents, only one fatal, but the goal is to terrorize. The question is can anti-nazis effectively intimidate nazis and is that the best approach? I think it's much better, if possible, to just be present in absolutely overwhelmingly greater numbers. That's intimidating too. But they can provoke and use asymmetric tactics (like driving a car into a crowd). I'm not really sure what the answer is, just this is how I'm trying to think about it. How do you win the ground battle? How do you win the media battle?
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:33 (six years ago) link
But randomly lashing out and punching nazis scattershot is not necessarily effective. These alt right groups are more disciplined than that.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:34 (six years ago) link
Out on FB folks are already blowing up photos of these fools, isolating faces in squares, and writing "do you know me, are you my employer, I was at a nazi rally in charlottesville va on 8/12/17"
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:36 (six years ago) link
xp i think you're right about numbers. i think large groups of people using nonviolent tactics for a just cause can and will eventually win
― the late great, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:36 (six years ago) link
i would guess that 9 out of 10 of those responses are from people who either identify with the alt-right or have condoned them through silence over the last year and are too far in to back out without ostracizing them from their shitty friends
― Karl Malone, Saturday, August 12, 2017
late to this, but I think there are a lot of bots/multiple online identities at work here
as I mentioned, this is my hometown. A high school friend's son was among those injured by the car, thankfully not seriously.
http://www.mkgandhi.org/speeches/dandi_march.htm
― sleeve, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:44 (six years ago) link
(I can only hope that this is a national moment similar to the Salt March incidents)
― sleeve, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:46 (six years ago) link
Driver identified as James Alex Fields Jr.
A man with the same name and age was booked Saturday on suspicion of second-degree murder, malicious wounding, failure to stop for an accident involving a death, and hit and run
Elsewhere, he's identified as former US Army and registered Republican.
― #IMPOTUS (Sanpaku), Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:49 (six years ago) link
These alt right groups are more disciplined than that.
Lol r u serious these ppl are clowns playing dress up and should be ridiculed (and punched, when necessary) as such. The dude driving the car was sime 19 yo panicky jackass from toledo.
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:51 (six years ago) link
man alive otm. Violent fantasies are unhelpful. We don't need am antifa vs fascist ground war that makes the right and left look like a moral wash to the disengaged
Despite trump's win, most people are not sympathetic to swastika tattooed people or people who attack people with their car. Perfect situation for nonviolent tactics
― Treeship, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:52 (six years ago) link
xposted from Trump thread:
https://www.gofundme.com/medical-fund-for-comrades-in-cville
― sleeve, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:53 (six years ago) link
Where was this thing organized? r/thedonald? More subterranean parts of the web?
― Treeship, Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:55 (six years ago) link
Lol r u serious these ppl are clowns playing dress up and should be ridiculed (and punched, when necessary) as such.
http://i.imgur.com/NOAJ6gK.jpg
― The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 13 August 2017 00:57 (six years ago) link
!
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 13 August 2017 01:00 (six years ago) link
Captain America would be so proud
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 13 August 2017 01:02 (six years ago) link
I'm 100% serious. They're dumb, conformist foot soldiers and the people organizing them are smart.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Sunday, 13 August 2017 01:03 (six years ago) link
Who are they?
― Treeship, Sunday, 13 August 2017 01:04 (six years ago) link