the alt-right

i thought we were all old people here. don't spew your violent fantasies onto a public discussion board? is kind of rule one here?

xp i feel you silby i have violent fantasies too (cf are you considering buying a gun thread) when i see this stuff but i feel like it's more corrosive to the spirit than cathartic to put them out there

it'd be cool if he also offered his condolences to the family of the woman who died today

He did that too, with his usual eloquence and wisdom.

Condolences to the family of the young woman killed today, and best regards to all of those injured, in Charlottesville, Virginia. So sad!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 12, 2017

I feel uplifted. Like I've just farted.

eh, i'm glad he eventually got around to it. honestly i thought he'd just never acknowledge what happened.

my bar is set very, very low for donald trump

A number of liberal gun owners have been more vocal of late.

I'm not adverse to documenting names addresses etc of confirmed neo-Nazis. In the event they get their civil war and the FBI doesn't take care of them.

it would be nice to know where they work so i can make sure i never give any money to their employer

If done as a public archive, they may never find employment.

Though I think the sponsors of any such archive should make provisions for sincere apologies and personal growth.

best regards to all who were injured, hope this tweet finds you well, injured, but well

so sad! in the crying sense! not the pathetic one!

Agree all the nazis should be doxxed and publicly shamed get on it 4chan og wai

A respectful email signoff to all of those injured

when i think back to the trump years and twitter i'll just think

Great! Sad! Great! Sad! So Great! So Sad! Great! Sad!

alt-right before alt-right was alt!

https://www.thenation.com/article/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/

Gofundme for medical costs for the injured victims

I have no theoretical problem with violence against nazis, it's more of a strategic and tactical issue for me - what are you trying to accomplish and how does whatever tactic you use further your goals? Punching Spencer on camera was great. It made him look weak. It made a perfect viral meme. Nazi violence works differently. The goal of driving a car into protesters is to intimidate, to make people think twice about showing up. Same with open carry. Same with carrying torches and yelling. Only a handful of actual violent incidents, only one fatal, but the goal is to terrorize. The question is can anti-nazis effectively intimidate nazis and is that the best approach? I think it's much better, if possible, to just be present in absolutely overwhelmingly greater numbers. That's intimidating too. But they can provoke and use asymmetric tactics (like driving a car into a crowd). I'm not really sure what the answer is, just this is how I'm trying to think about it. How do you win the ground battle? How do you win the media battle?

But randomly lashing out and punching nazis scattershot is not necessarily effective. These alt right groups are more disciplined than that.

Out on FB folks are already blowing up photos of these fools, isolating faces in squares, and writing "do you know me, are you my employer, I was at a nazi rally in charlottesville va on 8/12/17"

xp i think you're right about numbers. i think large groups of people using nonviolent tactics for a just cause can and will eventually win

i would guess that 9 out of 10 of those responses are from people who either identify with the alt-right or have condoned them through silence over the last year and are too far in to back out without ostracizing them from their shitty friends

― Karl Malone, Saturday, August 12, 2017

late to this, but I think there are a lot of bots/multiple online identities at work here

as I mentioned, this is my hometown. A high school friend's son was among those injured by the car, thankfully not seriously.

http://www.mkgandhi.org/speeches/dandi_march.htm

(I can only hope that this is a national moment similar to the Salt March incidents)

Driver identified as James Alex Fields Jr.

A man with the same name and age was booked Saturday on suspicion of second-degree murder, malicious wounding, failure to stop for an accident involving a death, and hit and run

Elsewhere, he's identified as former US Army and registered Republican.

These alt right groups are more disciplined than that.

Lol r u serious these ppl are clowns playing dress up and should be ridiculed (and punched, when necessary) as such. The dude driving the car was sime 19 yo panicky jackass from toledo.

man alive otm. Violent fantasies are unhelpful. We don't need am antifa vs fascist ground war that makes the right and left look like a moral wash to the disengaged

Despite trump's win, most people are not sympathetic to swastika tattooed people or people who attack people with their car. Perfect situation for nonviolent tactics

xposted from Trump thread:

https://www.gofundme.com/medical-fund-for-comrades-in-cville

Where was this thing organized? r/thedonald? More subterranean parts of the web?

Lol r u serious these ppl are clowns playing dress up and should be ridiculed (and punched, when necessary) as such.

http://i.imgur.com/NOAJ6gK.jpg

!

Captain America would be so proud

I'm 100% serious. They're dumb, conformist foot soldiers and the people organizing them are smart.

Who are they?

The organizers

Is it not in part Spencer? I thought the torch thing was his hallmark.

If I read that WaPo story correctly, this James Alex Fields Jr. who owns the car that killed the antifa counter-protestor was being held without bail at the time of the fatal attack. This points to perhaps a 'friend' or acquaintance of his taking advantage of Fields having an airtight alibi and cloaking his identity by borrowing the car. That's what I understood from it at least.

Where was this thing organized? r/thedonald? More subterranean parts of the web?

the_donald are fairly hands-off on this, calling it a George Soros operation.

i have nothing useful to add to the discussion of the horrible events in charlottesville. but as far as violent fantasies go I would just add that given the society we live in, going out and committing violent acts, or even many nonviolent ones, needs to be weighed against the reality of who will bear the consequences and reprisals. lotta times the shit-starters, however righteously they may be fired up, are not the ones who are going to face police violence or deportation or worse later on. also I think violence is wrong. that is all.

Nazis starting to be IDed

when the main dude in this photo is in most of your history classes and always spouts fascist and racist comments pic.twitter.com/PIH3uXbqaZ

— Bailey M. Gamberg (@bayymontana) August 12, 2017

Also, in case the identity of the driver was still in question

NBC News: James Alex Fields Jr., age 20, has been charged with second degree murder in connection with the car ramming in Charlottesvile. pic.twitter.com/XW6oIXcC6r

— Tom Winter (@Tom_Winter) August 13, 2017

thanks for that, sincerely

if one of these dudes tries to act physically intimidating in a one-on-one confrontation I fully support jacking them in the groin as hard as you can

then steal their car keys

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/charlottesville-and-the-bigotocracy.html?mwrsm=Facebook

https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20768212_10155678053549744_5889283837034084343_n.jpg?oh=1d8d78729fdc10d37626333f4aa029b0&oe=5A2694E0

then steal their car keys

Then use the keys to gouge their eyes out, lay them on the ground in front of their car, and use the keys to start the car and drive back and forth over their neck and waist. Hack their phone and send pictures of the results to their family.

There should be no oxygen for white nationalists in my country. They should be beaten and starved to death, every one. Oubliettes, and shame for their parents.

I'm pissed.

The more I read about it, the more I'm very happy about how hard the counterprotestors fought back against the fascists, especially after reading that Richard Spencer was tweeting to followers to leave Charlottesville.

xp/tom on this we agree

shame for their parents

Shame, but maybe a bit of sympathy.

Mr. Fields’ mother, expressed disbelief upon learning Saturday of the accusations against her son. She said he told her last week he was going to an “alt-right” rally in Virginia, but didn't know what it was about.

"I try to stay out of his political views. I don't get too involved,” she told The Blade.

"I told him to be careful ... if they are going to rally, to make sure he is doing it peacefully," she said, before breaking down in tears.