the alt-right

The organizers

Is it not in part Spencer? I thought the torch thing was his hallmark.

If I read that WaPo story correctly, this James Alex Fields Jr. who owns the car that killed the antifa counter-protestor was being held without bail at the time of the fatal attack. This points to perhaps a 'friend' or acquaintance of his taking advantage of Fields having an airtight alibi and cloaking his identity by borrowing the car. That's what I understood from it at least.

Where was this thing organized? r/thedonald? More subterranean parts of the web?

the_donald are fairly hands-off on this, calling it a George Soros operation.

i have nothing useful to add to the discussion of the horrible events in charlottesville. but as far as violent fantasies go I would just add that given the society we live in, going out and committing violent acts, or even many nonviolent ones, needs to be weighed against the reality of who will bear the consequences and reprisals. lotta times the shit-starters, however righteously they may be fired up, are not the ones who are going to face police violence or deportation or worse later on. also I think violence is wrong. that is all.

Nazis starting to be IDed

when the main dude in this photo is in most of your history classes and always spouts fascist and racist comments pic.twitter.com/PIH3uXbqaZ

— Bailey M. Gamberg (@bayymontana) August 12, 2017

Also, in case the identity of the driver was still in question

NBC News: James Alex Fields Jr., age 20, has been charged with second degree murder in connection with the car ramming in Charlottesvile. pic.twitter.com/XW6oIXcC6r

— Tom Winter (@Tom_Winter) August 13, 2017

thanks for that, sincerely

if one of these dudes tries to act physically intimidating in a one-on-one confrontation I fully support jacking them in the groin as hard as you can

then steal their car keys

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/charlottesville-and-the-bigotocracy.html?mwrsm=Facebook

https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20768212_10155678053549744_5889283837034084343_n.jpg?oh=1d8d78729fdc10d37626333f4aa029b0&oe=5A2694E0

then steal their car keys

Then use the keys to gouge their eyes out, lay them on the ground in front of their car, and use the keys to start the car and drive back and forth over their neck and waist. Hack their phone and send pictures of the results to their family.

There should be no oxygen for white nationalists in my country. They should be beaten and starved to death, every one. Oubliettes, and shame for their parents.

I'm pissed.

The more I read about it, the more I'm very happy about how hard the counterprotestors fought back against the fascists, especially after reading that Richard Spencer was tweeting to followers to leave Charlottesville.

xp/tom on this we agree

shame for their parents

Shame, but maybe a bit of sympathy.

Mr. Fields’ mother, expressed disbelief upon learning Saturday of the accusations against her son. She said he told her last week he was going to an “alt-right” rally in Virginia, but didn't know what it was about.

"I try to stay out of his political views. I don't get too involved,” she told The Blade.

"I told him to be careful ... if they are going to rally, to make sure he is doing it peacefully," she said, before breaking down in tears.

fuuuuuck i hate having to sound like Internet Police but can we please please please not have the violent fantasies, thanks. yes i want these fuckstains dead, no i am not going to kill them, no i am not going to describe in exquisite detail in public how i would like them to die.

NAME EVERY FACE. https://t.co/G35eNOu7AO

— Queen Dylizabeth (@kosherDYL) August 12, 2017

The far right has been totally driven out. Militia evacuated, traditionalists flee. Anti-racists cry in victory. Watch all of this video. pic.twitter.com/0WZ9Ji5g1v

— Jack Smith IV (@JackSmithIV) August 12, 2017

Col. Martin Kumer, the superintendent of the Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail, confirmed Saturday evening that an Ohio man, James Alex Fields Jr., 20, of Maumee, had been arrested and charged with second-degree murder, three counts of malicious wounding and failing to stop at the scene of a crash that resulted in a death.

i don't get this. that's it? he only gets charged for the people he actually hit? he was trying to kill as many people as possible! there isn't some sort of charge for attempting to murder people? there were way more than 4 people involved. send this fucker away for life

rushomancy otm

I accidentally flagged Doctor Casino's post, but totally didn't mean to.

i don't get this. that's it? he only gets charged for the people he actually hit? he was trying to kill as many people as possible! there isn't some sort of charge for attempting to murder people? there were way more than 4 people involved. send this fucker away for life

― Karl Malone, Saturday, August 12, 2017 7:29 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I assume that's just for starters

I could watch a loop of those last few camo jackasses backing out of the crowd like they're doing some kind of military maneuver

I don't know if it's helpful to share this, but I very very rarely fantasize about violence. There was a video clip on twitter last night where a white woman marcher yelled at an antifa protestor, "you sound like a n-----"Ever since I saw that clip, I've been imagining punching her out. Which I likely couldn't successfully do; I've never punched anyone, and I have no upper body strength. I think my point is, there's a kind of rage that is social; you don't have it, it has you. It's part of why marches like this are so volatile--they unleash that thing in people who've been marginalized.

I guess I'm saying, while I think Doctor Casino is right and what he says is valuable, situations like this that dramatize social inequality breed violence, at the very least in people's hearts. It's part of why today's events made me so sad. I feel like worse is coming.

yeah that's probably what they could cobble together in the few hours so they could lock him up. when they figure out names of the other victims they can charge him with more assaults/att. murders.

Many more IDs in this thread

If you recognize any of the Nazis marching in #Charlottesville, send me their names/profiles and I'll make them famous #GoodNightAltRight pic.twitter.com/2tA9xliFVU

— Yes, You're Racist (@YesYoureRacist) August 12, 2017

Agreed, horseshoe. We're supposed to be having an anti-racist solidarity protest in my town tomorrow, I want to participate but I'm nervous about what may come out of me if racists approach us. We're all on some frightening ground right now.

My grandfather used to tell me stories about going to fascist marches in chicago when he was a kid and throwing rocks and bricks at them. He was from a neighborhood where streetfights were pretty common and someone had slashed him with a knife at school, and this was way pre-King so I don't think he had the kinds of dilemmas about violence that we do at that time. I hadn't thought about this in years but after reading the news today I definitely started fantasizing about doing the same.

I feel like worse is coming.

this is why considering violence isn't totally out of bounds imo

The fact that they had an armed militia with them makes me think the next time they'll feel empowered to open fire on counter-protesters.

I don't know about *next time*, but that's definitely the idea they want to plant in your head.

Here's a photo of @Millennial_Matt with Trump and carrying a burning torch in Charlottesville. This isn't complicated. pic.twitter.com/NXh4Rvyf0v

— Raf Sanchez (@rafsanchez) August 12, 2017

I mean, I do find them terrifying! Terrorism works.

I hope these guys are found by the police, arrested or watched when necessary and hope people will help the police do it but I'm wary about increased usage of doxxing as a tactic. All sorts of shitheads would do it more than they already do and its easy to smear someone with all kinds of things. Some of these alt-right guys are desperate to find ways of smearing their opponents as sex offenders.
I'm glad these Nazis are being identified but I hope people are careful with what information they release, I don't want people going after their families and stuff like that.

doxxing is horseshit but we have an administration which has clearly signalled its unwillingness to enforce the law against white nationalists. given that there's an obvious need to confront white nationalism, it's not much of a surprise that vigilantes are taking a more active role.

I don't know if it's helpful to share this, but I very very rarely fantasize about violence. There was a video clip on twitter last night where a white woman marcher yelled at an antifa protestor, "you sound like a n-----"Ever since I saw that clip, I've been imagining punching her out. Which I likely couldn't successfully do; I've never punched anyone, and I have no upper body strength.

u got to work the body

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/08/10/berkeley-teacher-filmed-punching-neo-nazi-arraigned-sacramento/

it distresses me to see people here openly considering violence. not because i don't sympathize - i definitely do. i too entertain disturbingly elaborate and detailed fantasies about exactly how i would beat the shit out of a neo-nazi. only fantasies, of course, because irl i think i would get about one punch in before getting pummeled myself. but the main reason it distresses me is that if you all are considering it, and if i'm thinking more and more about it, than others must be as well, including other people who might not be as lucky as i take many ilxors to be in living beyond the reach of daily physical and psychic intimidation from the alt-right and violent racists in general. or more to the point, people who aren't typically the target of such intimidation. i think about what i might have done today if i were in a different situation, how i might have snapped, and i'm not even a target, generally. it frightens me to think of how it must affect those who are.

i also think that strategically, taking the "fight" to a physical level only works to the alt-right's advantage. if nothing else, they have all the guns, whereas the left not only don't have guns, generally, but is full of people like me who think it's an awful idea to even own a gun much less contemplate using one.

i prefer to try to outsmart them in other ways, in no small part because i think they're really, really really fucking dumb

After reading a shit-ton about the civil rights movement over the past year, it seems like one of the most constructive courses of action would be for people who know their shit to start organizing anti-violence workshops en masse. Like the kind where you learn firsthand how to take a beating and how to shield people who are taking a beating and how to not react the way our lizard brains want us to react. Not that it does much in a situation where psychos are plowing into people with cars, but there are lots of other situations where it's a preferable option to engaging on the level of the hate mongers (who definitely need to die except from incredibly painful and prolonged bowel cancer).

dude is 20. owns one of these

https://www.dodge.com/challenger.html

maybe it was used? life sure is hard for these alt-righters :(

trying to reconcile this tweet

Fact check: true. https://t.co/94ti7BwFLJ

— Richard ☝🏻Spencer (@RichardBSpencer) August 12, 2017

with this one, about 12 hours later

We came in peace. It was the government and antifa that used force against peaceful, lawful demonstrators. https://t.co/6oDkncSFna

— Richard ☝🏻Spencer (@RichardBSpencer) August 12, 2017

oh, the embedded tweet in that first one didn't show up. but it was someone saying "They surrounded us at the statue

They wouldn't let us out" after friday night's disturbing tiki torch shit at the jefferson statue.

I think I found the one tweet that sums it all up about this whole crew

Liberals, this is from a SOCIAL EXPERIMENT by @JoeySalads showing Trump supporters VEHEMENTLY rejecting Nazism & Bigotry. #Charlottesville pic.twitter.com/VGucwxWqqO

— Democrats for Trump (@YoungDems4Trump) August 13, 2017

maybe he should have gone to the Nazi-friendly Trump rally and not the relatively normal people one where they’re just regular racists

it’s as if there are different groups politicians cater to, with language that implies association in speech and action. hmm.

With all the IDs coming out it's interesting how many of these dudes are "outside agitators" from other parts of the country and how few seem to be from VA let alone the area.

Vaguely appalled that people dare to suggest Joey fucking Salads as in some way a neutral source.

Some of them are turning on the Paul Jpseph Watson guy - "controlled opposition" accusations. For something called Unite the Right it may have done the opposite. The comfy niches some of them have may be coming difficult to maintain (they'd have been pushing false flag narratives a lot harder not so long ago)