We informed The Daily Stormer that they have 24 hours to move the domain to another provider, as they have violated our terms of service.— GoDaddy (@GoDaddy) August 14, 2017
wow, the daily stormer has finally pushed things too far!
i mean, glad they're doing this but maybe they should have thought about doing it years and years ago
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 August 2017 03:44 (six years ago) link
xpost This all is why a lack of moral authority at the highest levels of government matters. Even if it is mostly symbolic it matters to have the president calling this shit out. Currently there is a vacuum, and without any sort of moral compass or direction all roads lead to chaos and conflict. Non violence seems most appealing when law enforcement and government does its job. Right now it is not entirely clear that either can or will do what needs to be done.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 August 2017 03:45 (six years ago) link
The fact that it took so long for a host of a white supremacist website to claim they violated the terms of service also seems endemic of this strange moral vacuum.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 August 2017 03:46 (six years ago) link
This flyer is so obviously fake but does anyone have any info on the source?
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20729288_10214398284696672_3450299999332434098_n.jpg?oh=eaebf762b79ba3eb82e6a17abda074b4&oe=5A1F6579
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 14 August 2017 03:49 (six years ago) link
there are uh a lot of dynamics here but for tonight i elect to lol at the tiki torch-bearing internet nazis and the fact that the actual guys with guns are choosing to steer clear of them
Three Percenters (a very large, loose-knit militia org) has finally decided to distance themselves from the white supremacy crowd. pic.twitter.com/Vab3EZr1Hn— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) August 14, 2017
― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 August 2017 03:59 (six years ago) link
I guess to put my sentiments another way, I'm always open to arguments for non-violence and I always think non-violence is preferable where effective. I just think that some of the anti-violence arguments amount to delicate sensibilities politics disguised as strategy.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 14 August 2017 04:31 (six years ago) link
E.g.
2. The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding "antifa" beating white nationalists being led out of the park 2/2— Sheryl Gay Stolberg (@SherylNYT) August 13, 2017
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 14 August 2017 04:32 (six years ago) link
Vanilla Isis! Is what someone on my Facebook called these dudes. I laughed.
― scott seward, Monday, 14 August 2017 05:29 (six years ago) link
Demand that authorities break up these groups.
Ahh yes ... the authorities, like Jeff sessions
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 14 August 2017 07:50 (six years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street
― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 14 August 2017 08:35 (six years ago) link
There is no particular strategy that works best for fighting fascism or bigotry and to argue about one way or another being the right way is ridiculous - sometimes you have to have the Soviet Union expend 20 million lives rolling it back, sometimes you need damn near 100 years of mostly non-violent action until demographics change.
― louie mensch (milo z), Monday, 14 August 2017 08:57 (six years ago) link
otm
it's more useful to discuss tactics, not strategy, imo
― Frederik B, Monday, 14 August 2017 10:14 (six years ago) link
https://twitter.com/slpng_giants
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 14 August 2017 11:34 (six years ago) link
Kind of a scary interview with Terry McAuliffe I just heard that brought up several of the issues I've wondered about. The interviewer asked him why the state did not do more, and he, very frustrated, said he did the best he could, given the crowd was heavily armed and their intel was that they had violent intentions. So wait, asked the interviewer, you allowed an armed and dangerous crowd, many of whom came in from out of state to cause trouble, to march through the city? McAuliffe was clearly frustrated, first defending the police by rightly pointing out that despite all the guns not a single shot was fired, not a single window broken, but then also reminding that the ACLU (your friend and mine) helped sue the city, which wanted to relocate the gathering to a better controlled open park, and the city lost. Which goes back to what I've been asking: when does free speech butt up against public safety? Because an armed and dangerous mob of white nationalists, while protected by free speech in terms of expression (and the 2nd amendment for guns), is innately dangerous to others. Their viewpoint is dangerous, their history is violent, they are a menace. But how can they be singled out and told they can't assemble? Can you even have a peaceful assembly with guns? If so many weapons prevented the police from getting involved earlier, doesn't that again go back to the issue of whether they should have been there at all? It's a constitutional catch-22 (which the gun-happy right has made great progress with exploiting).
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 August 2017 11:35 (six years ago) link
https://www.buzzfeed.com/blakemontgomery/heres-what-really-happened-in-charlottesville?utm_term=.xtQzxYqZ#.knkZrGOE
The right-wingers were more prepared for violence. Most white supremacist and Nazi groups arrived armed like a paramilitary force — carrying shields, protective gear, rods, and yes, lots of guns, utilizing Virginia’s loose firearm laws. They used militarized defensive maneuvers, shouting commands at one another to “move forward” or “retreat,” and would form a line of shields or a phalanx — it’s like they watched 300 a few times — to gain ground or shepherd someone through projectiles. It seemed that they had practiced for this. Virginia’s governor said that the right’s weaponry was better than that of the state police.
If this is the case, it's worth it to consider whether ACLU really did due diligence. Yeah, free speech rights, but if their clients are planning for violence, and they don't check for it, that's their fault, imo. This isn't a mistake, this wasn't unforeseeable, this is a violent ideology that is being planned and funded somewhere. It's bullshit when Greenwald is writing about Milo Literally nothing has helped Yiannopoulos become a national cult figure more than the well-intentioned (but failed) efforts to deny him a platform while actual journalists are digging into the large funding he is clearly receiving from somewhere, probably the Mercers.
― Frederik B, Monday, 14 August 2017 12:12 (six years ago) link
I've had a couple friends-of-friends post "BUT BLM IS JUST AS RACIST!!!" shit and I've posted photos of BLM marches full of white faces and asked them to counter with photos of black people marching with the alt-right/kkk/nazis. So far nobody has taken me up on this. Or replied. Or anything.
Also the president of the college republicans at my alma mater/former employer was carrying a torch in Charlottesville on Friday (which is absolutely unsurprising as he's a horrible right wing troll who obviously aspires to be a racist media hero) and there seems to be a huge mass of people arguing for his expulsion and denouncing the new president's wishy-washy statement. Not sure how this ends up but he's backtracking like a motherfucker right now.
― joygoat, Monday, 14 August 2017 12:15 (six years ago) link
hee hee
Blood and soil(ed himself) pic.twitter.com/TzGbVv1Chz— Jesse Fernandez (@JesseFernandez) August 13, 2017
― for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 14 August 2017 12:55 (six years ago) link
I've had a couple friends-of-friends post "BUT BLM IS JUST AS RACIST!!!"
Question: are the people saying this mixing up the Charlottesville KKK people with "mainstream" Trump supporters? Or do they really think that Black Lives Matter is equivalent to people who carry swastika flags and AR-15s?
Either way it's an idiotic false equivalence but still. To what extent are everyday Fox News watchers willing to go to bat for something like white nationalism?
― Treeship, Monday, 14 August 2017 13:02 (six years ago) link
my perusal of social media suggests they are very much committed to the idea that BLM is literally the black KKK
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 14 August 2017 13:05 (six years ago) link
Yes, they think of BLM as a violent extremist group that rampages across American cities committing atrocities.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 August 2017 13:10 (six years ago) link
which i'm quite certain, as the heat from this incident dissipates, mainstream conservative outlets will happily amplify
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 14 August 2017 13:12 (six years ago) link
if this asshole (trump) doesn't get his fat ass off his golf course and go give a speech denunciating white supremacy down in charlottesville (where he has a goddamn winery, for fuck's sake) today or tomorrow at the latest, then fuck the entire GOP
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 14 August 2017 13:13 (six years ago) link
every cop killed anywhere, every window broken in civil unrest is a directive straight BLM leaders
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 14 August 2017 13:14 (six years ago) link
*straight from
Fuck them anyway
― Treeship, Monday, 14 August 2017 13:14 (six years ago) link
― yellow is the color of some raisins (Doctor Casino), Monday, 14 August 2017 13:16 (six years ago) link
A begrudging denunciation under pressure doesn't mean a lot.
― jmm, Monday, 14 August 2017 13:18 (six years ago) link
It seems... not in his interest to avoid denouncing them. Like, what is the national approval rating for the KKK? For vehicular homicide?
― Treeship, Monday, 14 August 2017 13:20 (six years ago) link
idk i do think his playing footsie with these clowns is what actually got him elected.
if he denounces i don't see how the Miller/ Bannon element doesn't convince him to make some dumbass equivalencies. and it's p clear those equivalencies (up to this point, anyway) play in Peoria
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 14 August 2017 13:31 (six years ago) link
He won by appealing to some of the ideas the militia people represent -- which appeal to conservative voters -- but I think it's a bit different now that there are images of people carrying swastikas and shit. And because a person has died.
― Treeship, Monday, 14 August 2017 13:42 (six years ago) link
Or maybe I am just wrong and everyone's elderly aunt is down with white power prison gang stuff.
― Treeship, Monday, 14 August 2017 13:43 (six years ago) link
I just want him to become radioactive to the Republicans so we can start the process of that party's disintegration.
― Treeship, Monday, 14 August 2017 13:48 (six years ago) link
i don't think they're supportive of the explicit white power stuff. they just want someone to say that BLM/ Muslims/ liberals/ gay agenda/ atheists/ Democrats are EXACTLY THE SAME, just on the other side.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 14 August 2017 13:50 (six years ago) link
like Nancy Pelosi and David Duke are that dual spiderman meme
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 14 August 2017 13:52 (six years ago) link
the french lit theory moral equivalence / russian 'whataboutism' practiced by Koch and ALEC minions is resilient
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 14 August 2017 13:52 (six years ago) link
it's a terrible impression, but they sure are committed to their kayfabe deplorable WWE pantomime
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 14 August 2017 13:53 (six years ago) link
Meanwhile, fight the real enemy, etc
went to a vigil for Heather tonight and with more certainty than ever I can say: fuck liberals. line em up against a goddamn wall.— Barbarossa ☭ (@copcemetery) August 14, 2017
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Monday, 14 August 2017 14:16 (six years ago) link
what a delightful tweet
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 August 2017 14:22 (six years ago) link
Oh, read the whole thread. It's invigorating.
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Monday, 14 August 2017 14:25 (six years ago) link
not sure how I feel about that tweetthread tbh
― imago, Monday, 14 August 2017 14:26 (six years ago) link
This, on the other hand, is amazing: http://www.inforum.com/opinion/letters/4311880-letter-family-denounces-teffts-racist-rhetoric-and-actions
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Monday, 14 August 2017 14:27 (six years ago) link
This person is saying that Heather's radical politics weren't acknowledged in the vigil, which was dominated by liberals and their talking points. I don't know how accurate that is but it seems like grounds to be upset.
― Treeship, Monday, 14 August 2017 14:27 (six years ago) link
I'm not sure that the thread isn't itself an example of radical posturing and preening. I'm more offended that the poster has contempt for people running for office.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 August 2017 14:28 (six years ago) link
presumably the tweeter knew her personally, which mitigates much of the hyperbole
― imago, Monday, 14 August 2017 14:29 (six years ago) link
xxp And that's fine, but I find it absurd to then carry it into "if only liberals would get out of the way of our class-free, racism-free Marxist paradide" garbage.
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Monday, 14 August 2017 14:31 (six years ago) link
also the vigil does sound a bit nauseating
― imago, Monday, 14 August 2017 14:31 (six years ago) link
but who gets the tone exactly right at a time of stress?
― imago, Monday, 14 August 2017 14:32 (six years ago) link
truly a quandary
https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/2017/01/05/is-richards-spencers-estranged-wife-mixed-race/
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 14 August 2017 14:35 (six years ago) link
xxp And that's fine, but I find it absurd to then carry it into "if only liberals would get out of the way of our class-free, racism-free Marxist paradide" garbage.― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Monday, August 14, 2017 10:31 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Monday, August 14, 2017 10:31 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You can think it's garbage but it seems like the woman who died was a socialist who did not see liberals as her comrades. If true, then it was bad for liberal orgs like Indivsible to swoop in and dominate her vigil.
― Treeship, Monday, 14 August 2017 14:36 (six years ago) link
True enough. Actually I'm sorry I posted that here, this isn't the place for it.
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Monday, 14 August 2017 14:39 (six years ago) link