Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

kind of an interesting switch-up of bowie's voice in the original FWWM vs the footage they used in last night's episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVXmiCTLuTI

the southern accent is less dramatic in last night's episode, and a "this" is switched out for "that". it's probably not a big secret or important or anything, they probably just dubbed in an outtake so that the accent would be less heavy. still kinda interesting though!

maybe Gordon and Albert aren’t remembering it quite right

lol

That wasn't Bowie's voice btw, they got an actor to impersonate him. He was listed as "Voice" in the credits.

oh, really? in FWWM? i had no idea

No for the re-dub in this episode.

oh.

...that's odd.

I believe the footage of Bowie is not from FWWM but from The Missing Pieces, which has "that" instead of "this" (but the voice is overdubbed nonetheless).

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxp OH JAKE WARDLE IS THAT GUY! NOW i know where i'd seen him

Also: given Monica's questions, it's funny that Gordon doesn't remember/bring up Jeffries saying "It was a dream. We live inside a dream."

hmmm, maybe that's what subconsciously reminded him of the stuff shown in the jeffries flashback in the first place, although he doesn't directly recall it

Yeah, I'd think so; and given that they were starting to remember that situation in the scene we saw, I reckon there's a chance it may be made more explicit in another flashback in one of the remaining episodes

Wait - people didn't immediately make the connection between "who do you think this is there" in fwwm and the events of the finale? I thought that was always obvious

Finally caught up on this and the rest of Twin Peaks. Besides FWWM, I hadn't seen any of the original series before last month. I've read the two threads on here over the past couple days. Nothing to say other than I love this, the show, the discussion, the privilege & luck to be able to watch this series air in real time. Like someone said upthread, it really is like seeing the future.

I feel like people are underselling the RR scenes in 11 & 12 with Shelly and Norma. Both are so heartwarming and emotional at first - Bobby and Shelly's daughter may be in a bad way, but at least they're still together and (presumably!) married, after all these years. And then to have Balthazar fucking Getty come out of thin air and be seen by Shelly through a thin window, as she's embracing her crying daughter, and runs out of the diner and kisses the dude in the fucking doorway. It's such a disturbing and jarring tonal shift, Lynch brings sentimentality and real love to the surface only to split it in two.

Norma & Ed scene is equally devastating - this the first time we see Ed! we finally have confirmation that they too have stayed together after 25 years. true love!!! the beginnings of both of these scenes are forces of love against the heart of evil birthed in 8. the interactions Norma & Shelly have with their lovers are so... impersonal and faceless! as if those characters left their bodies when these men appeared. it's the exaggerated kiss/makeout, then "are we good for later? your place?" or "dinner late?" obviously there's something going on at the RR - the credits sequence in 7 (?) where the establishing shots show different people and different configurations of people in what is ostensibly the same scene/moment in the diner. all of this reality bending/dream logic really kicked in after Gordon accessed the portal to the hobo staircase.

but more than reality bending... i've started noticing the abundance of young kids after reading this thread before i watched 11, 12, and 13. there's something going on with having so many kids witness and adjacent to incredible brutality and horror, and the parade of actors and actresses that are either a) dead b) dying c) very old. the RR is where family is concentrated, that scene in 11 with Bobby going outside to see the zombie kid dressed exactly like his father along with the angry horn lady... there's an assault on the family coming from the outside the RR, directed by Black Lodge forces. i feel like it must be way too simplistic to label love the enemy of the Lodge and the evil birthed in 8. I suspect and am worried that the Fireman is bad - someone very otm upthread about all visitors to the Lodge this series being very naive / easily manipulated / unable to grasp the significance. But I'm fascinated by those two scenes with Shelly & Norma. Was very worried about Andy considering all this when he got sucked up into the Lodge in 14.

tilda swinton is the best choice for Jeffries, unless Bowie is in this

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 10:16 (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tilda swinton's career is in danger of becoming a series of portrayals of people who look sort of like tilda swinton (sorry for the xp flappy bird)

Apparently Reddit is full of spoilers for the last 4 episodes now

great post flappy

re: the people chosen to visit the lodge being naive/manipulated, it's closely related but i've seen them more as people who are able to listen to intuition. i suppose the difference between being criticized as naive and praised as intuitive can often come down to the outcome.

btw I figured it out

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/60/c9/7c/60c97c46abc41d481e3d3597d11ae50c--ben-and-jerrys-twin-peaks.jpg

Jerry is the dreamer guys

Apparently Reddit is full of spoilers for the last 4 episodes now

― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 15:36 (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how the hell? leak?

Something to do with some Russian torrent site. Apparently there are some badly translated synopses that arseholes are posting all over the place

oh jesus

I think you're fine if you just don't go on Reddit, which is always decent advice anyway. Tbh I doubt I'll encounter a worse spoiler than the one someone thought it was cool to post itt, which is looking likely to be from the finale and maybe even the very end scene

thanks for the warning, seems i missed that post

maybe i should drop out of this thread until the finale and hide from all twin peaks conversation, three weeks is no great hardship

i just searched for more Mulholland Drive connections on reddit and there are so many more references than i thought at first: the way Janey-E looks at the big bag of money when Dougie comes home with it, doubles/identity issues (not that this is unique to TP and MD), Silencio being featured in 8... also surprised how few people have mentioned that Naomi Watts is introduced in S3 wearing the exact same outfit as Betty Elms when she arrives at the airport in her dream in MD. there are so many overt and subtle references to Lynch's films throughout - another one is the beginning of 8 where Evil Coop and Ray are driving in the darkness, visually it's completely Lost Highway, and then there's even a death/transformation in the desert when Ray tries to kill Evil Coop.

oh yeah! i found something fucking insane on reddit:

https://33hpwq10j9luq8gl43e62q4e-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/1b2SwopfWYDfVPgrOp4VRvg.jpeg

I was hoping the sheriff and deputies would run into Jerry during their trip in the woods.

Dougie is Diane's brother-in-LAW.

Not sure what you're getting at - is the significance supposed to be that they both work in law enforcement?

It occurred to me earlier that before Laura opens her face to reveal the light she says "I am dead, yet I live", whereas Sarah's been demonstrating the exact inverse, culminating in her opening her face to reveal darkness

It's the coincidence that Diane's sister's husband would be normally be referred to as a brother-in-law. That sister's husband is Dougie Jones, who we knew to be Cooper. Cooper worked in law enforcement alongside Diane, and throughout the original series Cooper and Harry refer to each other as 'brothers' due to this bond.

Don't tell me, it's not productive to analyse Lynch in this way. I fucking give up with this thread.

Ok so the answer to my question is... yes

just read this in a random lynch interview, sounds a bit like bobby & his dad in the woods:

Lynch was born in Missoula, Montana in 1946, and brought up in various places around the US, depending on where his father's job as a research scientist for the Department of Agriculture took him.

"I think his happiest time," Lynch says of his dad, "was when he had the Boise National Experimental Forest. A whole forest to experiment with! Things like erosion, bugs – so many different kinds of bugs – disease … And I loved going into that wood. There were little stands with little houses on the stands, and you'd open up the door and there'd be all kinds of weather equipment in there – little read-outs. It was really kind of great."

Wow, good find. That adds even more resonance to the scenes between the Briggses.

Both are so heartwarming and emotional at first - Bobby and Shelly's daughter may be in a bad way, but at least they're still together and (presumably!) married, after all these years.

Yeah that seemed like two parents who are definitely not together but are still willing to work together to help their daughter. I don't know if there's any indication (waiting for someone to mention a line where it was explicit) that they were ever married.

Not a line, but Amick was credited as Shelly Briggs.

I stand corrected

Things like that drive me a little crazy for reasons that aren't entirely rational. Like, it was a significant enough detail that (iirc) they didn't credit her as such until she and Bobby had a scene together, but then it's never directly addressed in the text so...what's the point? Maybe it'll be brought up before the end.

I think it was leaving it vague enough that they could show she had a daughter and leave it at that for a couple episodes while keeping some dramatic tension for the moment when it's revealed who her dad is

The way that scene played, it seemed pretty clear to me that Bobby and Shelly have been divorced for a long time. I like the ways the show makes us try to figure out what's happened to the original cast characters during the last 25 years without connecting every dot. Ed and Nadine are both wearing wedding bands, so I assume they're still married to each other, though maybe not living together. Ed and Norma are clearly no longer an item, though perhaps that piece of paper Ed burned during the closing credits was a note Norma slipped into his take-out order of chicken soup.

This is probably completely immaterial wrt anything major that's happened or will happen, but...do we know anything at all about Shelly's family? Like, that was one weird bit in the original series, when Cooper was telling the trio of girls who were being stalked by Windom Earle to stay with their parents or whatever and I realized that I don't think Shelly's parents were ever even mentioned prior to that.

I know in retrospect those scenes indicate divorce/amicable separation, but I totally fell for it in both cases. But that's beside the point - the way they rush up to greet their lovers was so jarring and sudden, the foundation of reality is shaky in the RR.

Carl called her Shelly Briggs btw

We've only known Shelly by her married names. First married at 17 after dropping out of the 11th grade... I think we're supposed to infer her previous family life from there.

Shelly has no backstory as such because she was born in a shower of gold fully formed as a waitress at the RR

definitely some patriarchal thing, she's never had parents, only husbands

Ehh, Norma's been her "mom" for decades now.

true!

Newest theory: in the magical chromatic scheme of twin peaks, the only match for RED is GREEN. This is how Shelly's new beau will meet his end:

"Have you ever studied your hand?"

"Too fackin' right I 'ave, ya dozy berk, that's aaar come I'm gonna smash yer fackin' boat race in wiv it!"

lol

Window washer was definitely a woodsman. Worried for Gordon

Sounded like there were voices in the screeching sounds (though I'll admit this show makes you hear and see stuff in anything)