In any case difficult listening hour to the thread. He knows a million times more about this than me.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 22:34 (six years ago) link
There were also earlier atrocities he was involved with like the Tiflis bank robbery. I don't think he was a good guy who had a positive impact on history, but the "meaning" of his life is more than just its outcome, Stalinist repression.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 22:37 (six years ago) link
Anyone read China Mieville's _October_ yet?
― Jackson Galactic Brain Meme (kingfish), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 22:50 (six years ago) link
No, but I'm very glad you mentioned it tho.
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
Oh yes and if they only knew enough about him they'd go back to Hilary. That's funny too.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:38 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Lenin never had any trouble with his e-mails iirc, so this is probably wishful thinking.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 23:11 (six years ago) link
his letter caused stalin some issues tho
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 23:20 (six years ago) link
it was honestly just a joke treeship, i don't think that lenin was in the same league as pol pot. though tbh even a non-joke version of that line strikes me as far less offensive than xyzzzz's half-comprehensible pro-soviet apologist shit on this and other threads.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 23:35 (six years ago) link
xp You mean the testament? I stand corrected :)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 23:49 (six years ago) link
Yes. I liked it quite a lot.
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 23:52 (six years ago) link
Oh good. I picked it up on sale from Verso earlier this year and its on the bookshelf.
Also, this:
when you want to destroy a statue of the hated communist but the destruction of property is the ultimate sin pic.twitter.com/1oNT1Ac4VS— Goth Ms. Frizzle (@spookperson) August 16, 2017
― Jackson Galactic Brain Meme (kingfish), Thursday, 17 August 2017 03:40 (six years ago) link
John Lenin maybe?
― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:23 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHyGCCZzG2o
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 17 August 2017 03:42 (six years ago) link
Yes my half-apologetics (they are more than half though) are way more offensive than J.D. being patronising to people who are mostly of voting range (18-34 so actually possibly your age range even?), who could possibly already be engaged enough to know a bit more than what you think they know. A figure in a poll won't give us the nuance.
Please keep flying the Kerensky flag tho'.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 17 August 2017 07:03 (six years ago) link
i said half-comprehensible, you stalinist fuckwit, and that's giving you too much credit
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 17 August 2017 07:22 (six years ago) link
LOL dude chill a bit, just because some Trot screamed at you in college there is no need to lay the trauma on us every week.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 17 August 2017 07:50 (six years ago) link
eh i'm plenty chill, yr genuinely strange shtick is more amusing than infuriating
ftr i would've been delighted to talk to a trotskyist in college now and then, would've been a break from all those libertarians
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:06 (six years ago) link
I live to amuse!
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 17 August 2017 08:24 (six years ago) link
How have I not noticed this ilx feud before?
― Treeship, Thursday, 17 August 2017 15:36 (six years ago) link
The internet gives so much every single day
― Jackson Galactic Brain Meme (kingfish), Thursday, 17 August 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link
"Let's Build a Zeppelin Fleet Named After Lenin! Not Individual Zeppelins, But a Whole Lenin Fleet of Zeppelins-This Is What The USSR Needs" pic.twitter.com/zdlyABTJwp— Soviet Visuals (@sovietvisuals) October 20, 2016
― calzino, Saturday, 19 August 2017 08:50 (six years ago) link
I just got into China Mieville's October and it is excellent. Reading a well written + concise narrative history is a good way of recalling shit you have already read in more nebulous + ungainly accounts, and putting it all back together in your mind. And there is so much that gets lost in the mix, to a fuckwit like me in other books. I'm ill as fuck r/n with a cold and suffering from insomnia, so perfect bedtime reading, again.
― calzino, Saturday, 2 September 2017 00:48 (six years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/06/lenins-disguise-little-seen-photos-of-soviet-leader-go-on-show
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 November 2017 22:31 (six years ago) link
In that recent China Mieville narrative history of red october, it was revealed that his disguise wasn't very good iirc.
― calzino, Monday, 6 November 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
https://marxistleninist.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/trotsky.jpg?w=500
unconvincing
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 8 December 2017 15:57 (six years ago) link
The Russian Revolution, a lot more tits than you probably would expect:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-revolution-centenary-leon-trotsky-biopic-channel-one-ussr-bolshevik-marxist-joseph-stalin-a8002636.html
― Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Friday, 8 December 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/07/indias-modi-warns-against-statue-vandalism-crowds-topple-lenin/
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 13:46 (six years ago) link
https://newsocialist.org.uk/the-bolsheviks-dared-interview-with-lars-t-lih-on-lenin/
^^^this is a deep dive into the pre-revolutionary technicalities of bolshevik debate in the actual context they faced but lars t lih is probably the leading living non-sectarian lenin scholar and i think always interesting
(also he's a professor of music history at mcgill which is… unexpected)
― mark s, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link
Everybody need a side hustle nowadays
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
this is still the most famous guy i've ever seen in person.
― treeship., Wednesday, 27 November 2019 03:03 (four years ago) link
the most famous guy corpse
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 03:54 (four years ago) link
thank you for clearing that up
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 04:03 (four years ago) link
In my second grade classroom I won more gold stars than Karen Karpen, who was my toughest competitor.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 04:05 (four years ago) link
responsible for tankies and trots. so d
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 17:53 (four years ago) link
That's like blaming ABBA for the Brotherhood of Man.
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 18:06 (four years ago) link
Revolutions podcast has reached Lenin’s appearance on the scene.
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 18:07 (four years ago) link
xp. could also say this about marx wrt lenin
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 19:17 (four years ago) link
could also say this about marx wrt lenin
otm. We should blame engels.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 19:21 (four years ago) link
I'm blaming Engels instead
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link
A LOL from Fred, that's something you don't see every day.
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 19:36 (four years ago) link
I'm thanking Engels instead.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 27 November 2019 19:38 (four years ago) link
― A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
More classic as the world gets shittier to live in.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 22:17 (four years ago) link
kind of ironic how revisionist and rightist the NEP was. his followers would have put him in the gulag
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 22:20 (four years ago) link
happy 150th, old fellow
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 08:42 (four years ago) link
"Communism and no malarkey" -- Uncle "Joe" Biden
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 09:39 (four years ago) link
this guy killed the revolution, leftists need to stop copying his shit theory and his pompous pedantic writing style
― fuck it (Left), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 13:02 (four years ago) link
there are weeks where decades happen, and also weeks where it's your birthday!
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 13:07 (four years ago) link
there would be no tankies or trots without this man
― COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 16:56 (four years ago) link
saved capitalism & turned anti capitalism into a joke, what a legacy
― fuck it (Left), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 17:07 (four years ago) link
Tankies or trots are things to troll ilx libs, nothing else.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 18:14 (four years ago) link
Today we celebrate 150 years since the birth of revolutionary and theorist, Lenin. His legacy and the legacy of the Russian revolution still inspires millions around the world to fight. For peace and socialism! pic.twitter.com/6YEArZ13U1— London Young Labour (@LDNYoungLabour) April 22, 2020
Lol hope us where you find it
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 18:39 (four years ago) link