Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

jesus

wtf

fuck

cool interview with lynch about sound design

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/arts/television/david-lynch-twin-peaks-interview.html?_r=0&referer=https://t.co/EY9kHXlmlG?amp=1

Came in here to post this list of extraneous characters, but man that is horrible news re Lindholm

ATTN hard core #twinpeaks nerds: this is my breakdown of the goings-on in that one Roadhouse booth (the "Frank" Booth). Enjoy. Will update. pic.twitter.com/R5g01HqKyA

— Scott Prendergast (@ScottyTheP) August 17, 2017

Talks of zebra, laughs about penguin.

Forgot to say I enjoyed the PABST BLUE RIBBON neon in the bar where Sarah had her altercation.

Paula: No longer has her sweater. :(

holy shit the "Frank Booth"

kinda hoping all that booth stuff builds up to something interesting, it'd be odd if it was only random tidbits of plotline floating around but hey it's a david lynch show

i hope Sky Ferreira makes another appearance, perhaps serving burgers

Haha, somebody pointed out that Chad got arrested just as all the other cops were getting ready to eat lunch in the police station meeting room!

but that's not true Andy was laying out lunchboxes to put the sandwiches in so they can take them out of the meeting room just sayin lol

Roadhouse scenes are great

https://media.giphy.com/media/26n6RyK9FSHYDK32U/giphy.gif

Meanwhile

“You're still with me. That's good.”#UGG @Kyle_MacLachlan #TwinPeaks pic.twitter.com/IAdZwqD3nE

— Twin Peaks 🤦🏼‍♀️ (@ThatsOurWaldo) August 18, 2017

honest question y'all: do ppl think we get True Coop back before like, the very last minute of the show or nah? tbh i'm fine if they dont because the story has been so compelling regardless. but based on the opening scene of part 1, with Coop in the White Lodge (where he ostensibly has never been) he's gonna be back at some point i think.

can't wait for the episode where Lynch and Frost defy expectations and begins an episode with Coop popping back to consciousness, exclaiming "Hey, I could use a coffee. What's going on in Twin Peaks?"

based on no information whatsoever i'm guessing he'll be somewhat restored for the final two episodes

I'm starting to think no, True Coop is gone for good

my interpretation of the opening scene of part 1 is that it hasn't happened yet, and that Dougie at some point will be drawn into the White Lodge and that exchange will take place, ostensibly during a moment of crisis when BOB is threatening the White Lodge

xp

the magic smoke will speak to him like it did Andy

I predict a really sad scene where he has to leave his vegas family

I predict a hilariously tense scene between Janey-E and Diane

based on the tone of voice in that White Lodge scene it was definitely True Coop and not dougie tho

thats really the only reason for my belief. otherwise it would seem totally feasible that he was never coming back

Depends what's meant by "true coop" but yeah I think we'll see him closer to the way he was before he went through the electrical socket at some point. There's also the shit of him driving in the trailer.

*shot lol

I'm hoping for a sweet denouement of True Coop asking Janey-E out for a date. And then a mechanical bird eating a bug.

I had to rewatch it but yeah you're right he seems/acts/talks like OG Coop in that scene so idk

xxp i mean like the coop we saw still in the lodge scenes of this run of episodes, who was definitely the cooper we knew in most ways.

i highly doubt we'll ever see the happy go lucky pure innocent coop from the show's early going, but i don't need that and i dont think that many ppl do

Yeah I'm pretty sure we'll see that guy again, but probably v little of him in "the world". He has to "find Laura", an imperative which involves a little more active agency than "don't die" (although knowing the way even true coop usually resolves things this won't take much more than suddenly remembering what she whispered in his ear - guessing "meet me at the roadhouse at 4:30")

idk this quote from the president of Showtime leads me to believe that we'll see True Coop back by the end: "the core of [the series] is Agent Cooper's odyssey back to Twin Peaks."

P sure an "odyssey" should involve more than standing around repeating what ppl just said and having trouble working out doors, but whatever

well there's 4 hours left still

The furniture ordering scene with Andy and Lucy strikes me as more of a jab at marriage banality than contempt for the characters.

Man, as soon as that crazy 'contempt' charge popped up itt, I was wracking my brain to think which characters that might even legitimately apply to. I came up with 'the creep whose throat Sarah ripped out' and I couldn't really think of any other recent or obvious examples. Lynch doesn't often evince contempt even toward his most irredeemable villains. I'd wager, if anything, Lynch admires the basic goodness of eg Andy and Lucy in a world where truly heinous evil exists.

The only one that comes to mind is James, back when I thought he would literally have no lines and "he doesn't talk much anymore" would be the last description of him. But then the last few episodes have definitely added much more and humanized him in some ways

twin peaks multiverse: doc hayward and sarah palmer are both in this seinfeld scene pic.twitter.com/QC1emCrwBm

— charlie 🖕 (@charlie_gfy) August 19, 2017

Didn't they play Susan's parents? I think they were in a number of scenes together.

still marveling at the pure joy of James making his musical return

Cooper has his FBI pin on in those initial lodge scenes!

@old lunch i forgot he played the dad :/

I'd forgotten Zabriskie was her mom! Frost's dalliances with Cheever, otoh, were very memorable.

still marveling at the pure joy of James making his musical return

Not to mention the pure joy of his actual return with the knowing but also obviously entirely sincere line from Shelly

the howling over the "he's always been cool" line was plebeian af but also the response l/f were trolling for, there were a few emotional moments in those first two hours (Margaret) but mädchen straight up telling heathens to fix their hearts or die was the first real bump of sparkle

― more like matthew badlose (wins), Monday, 12 June 2017 21:31 (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

people will do all kinds of contortions to arrive at any conclusion other than that lynch likes the character he created and the song he wrote and the actor he keeps casting, but you could see from the second he appeared that they'd stayed true to the heart of the character ("James is sweet, but he's so dumb") while recalibrating him just slightly to be a dim sadsack you can actually like. If they had him still doing the brooding thing at age 50 I'd be more inclined to believe the contempt thing.

some interesting bits from a james marshall interview that also touches on the eternal questions of lynch's involvement in the original series and how it changed without his involvement:

http://www.vulture.com/2017/08/twin-peaks-the-return-james-marshall-interview.html

I’ll start by asking a very important two-part question: Do you think James is cool? And has James always been cool?

[Laughs.] First of all, it’s a weird thing. The “cool” thing, I don’t know. I don’t think of myself that way or the character that way, thinking of yourself as tough. The tough guy. That’s other people’s opinions. The character is a lot like a James Dean–esque character, that’s kind of obvious. David and Mark back then were doing amalgamations of different icons within people on Twin Peaks. To me, Lara Flynn Boyle was a Natalie Wood mixed with Audrey Hepburn. Sherilyn Fenn was the classic siren mixed with Marilyn Monroe. My character was a James Dean mixed with a few other icons that David particularly liked. Very ’50s. In a nutshell, when David handles this show, my character gets handled much better.

What do you mean by that?

Back in the day in the first two seasons, we had a lot of different directors and a lot of different writers. And I wasn’t a strong enough actor. I didn’t really have the strength at the time as an actor to hold my own, so the character kind of went funny. Initially, these directors and writers stayed true to what the character was, but it still wasn’t handled right. It just wasn’t handled the way David would’ve handled it. He’s a very individual, very unique, signature person. It’s like having a Spielberg come up to direct, or to think of music, having a Hendrix come up and play. You’re not going to get another one and you’re not going to get someone to imitate him. So that was the whole situation with the first and second season. Now, this is pure David. It’s handled exactly how it should be.

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it's funny we both revived (well, if 3 hours after the last post counts as a revive) at the same time to talk about james! i should have excerpted this part, too:

Interviewer: I thought it was fitting that Shelly had a throwaway line earlier this season to vouch for James’s coolness.

Marshall: It really wrapped up the character in a subtle, simple way. An accident is mentioned — he had an accident. Shelly isn’t saying James has become “Fonzie cool,” what she’s saying, I think, is that he’s cool because he’s always had a straight line. Everyone has gone a little kooky, but James has always been a good guy and a good person who wants to do the right thing. It’s not like he’s a Pollyanna, but he’ll do the best he can. He’s a straight-up person and he wears his heart on his sleeve. I think a lot of people read it that way, too. There’s not a lot of time for each character — there’s so many people! So that’s what I think David was doing. To solidify what each character is, as quickly as he could, without taking too much time and doing too much exposition.

sorry to quote multiple times from the same interview (obv i'm reading through it as i post, like a dork, but it's actually worth reading in full. james marshall seems like a really good guy), but this sheds some interesting light on how the roadhouse performances were filmed:

I’m allowed to say this now, but this is the extent of how David operates: He had family members and best friends of the crew and the cast come in and do extra work. So he wasn’t calling casting agencies for more people. He wanted to be able to trust everyone, so nobody was getting on phones and recording it. I watched all of them, and pretty much everyone was straight-up. Nobody went online and said anything. Nobody posted stuff on social media. They were sitting there watching all of these different acts go on. David would rotate the audience, too, to freshen the scene up. I think, initially, the crowd kind of got my song, but I’m not sure. They were doing mass amounts of bands in one day on constant rotations. These people got to watch a bunch of bands play and just weren’t allowed to talk about it. Eddie Vedder and Nine Inch Nails definitely got the biggest kick, but again, all of these people were family and friends. They already knew the protocol. They weren’t hounding them or yelling about autographs. Everything was taken care of, David went through all measures to lock it up.

:-) James Marshall is cool and I hope his health improves. I heard an interview with him where he talked about his ideas about James's motorcycle adventures post-series and he said he always liked the idea that he was bisexual and that's why the last you hear of him is that postcard from San Francisco

Agree that lynch had the best handle on the character & was p much the only director to ever get a decent performance out of Marshall.

came across an interesting theory on the voice of phillip jeffries in some FB group: could the voice on the phone have been Albert? maybe there is something amiss with Albert.

lol is that because the phone voice was pitched down & distorted to disguise it and ferrer's voice just sounds like it is

Speaking of which, I find his voice quite hard to listen to in this, it's like he's struggling to get the words out sometimes - I wondered if this might be a symptom of his throat cancer but I think it might just be the way his voice aged (haven't really kept up with his career). Apparently nobody knew he was ill during filming.