Saturday Night Live

'Have you ever noticed how it's only privileged people who try and examine their own privilege? So clearly that's a bad thing to do, because only privileged people do it'

those are definitely the two options xxp

i'm glad that things aren't so serious that we can't afford to make stupid critiques of the implications of off-season SNL weekend update comments

my two questions are: what the hell is sheet cake? why is snl on during the week during its hiatus?

the hilary's emails bit was the real nadir of that bit. literally a joke made by thousands of people every day, just lazy.

SNL is lazy empty bs 99% of the time, will never watch again and will never forgive Lorne for promoting Trump

The Fey sketch was about stress eating out of despair. The people outraged over it as done sort of commentary on activism are deranged or just not being on the level.

you would know about that

idk if you heard but she's unspeakably vile

That Tina Fey line asking "who drove the car into the crowd? Hillary's emails?" is unspeakably vile and she should never have a platform

— mr email (@alecolyte) August 18, 2017

I can think of a lot of ways to make it a stress-eating joke without arguing that giving minority-owned businesses your money will rid us of the problem nearly as effectively as direct action will. People are getting hurt and killed, you really think people aren't going to take this shit seriously? xxp

Fey is the distaff Andy Borowitz

come on, she's not a hack

I can think of a lot of ways to make it a stress-eating joke without arguing that giving minority-owned businesses your money will rid us of the problem nearly as effectively as direct action will.

this is such a strange reading of that joke

yeah I think a lot of her stuff and associated stuff is mostly pretty funny

giving minority-owned businesses your money will rid us of the problem nearly as effectively as direct action will

what is the intended result of "direct action"? what is the goal of these counter protests? an actual goal not "win the message".

helping minority owned businesses directly helps that community. it is constructive rather than destructive.

some things need to be destroyed

Adam what is your weird aversion to public protest/confrontation

It was funny. And there's a lot of very valid arguments against confronting them directly, and I don't 100% believe that as stated above setting up counter protests in other locations, ignoring them, etc will definitely lead to genocide.

And why there was SNL on a weeknight during the summer is because they decided to have a weekly weekend update during the summer because it's doing really well for Jon Oliver, Samantha Bee, Seth Meyers, Colbert etc so how could they miss out on this?

I don't 100% believe that as stated above setting up counter protests in other locations, ignoring them, etc will definitely lead to genocide.

great argument

I didn't feel like I needed to make that argument. Not sure how I feel about the argument that letting these neo-nazis march through the streets without getting into fist-fights with them will lead to genocide.

Nor do I think that Tina Fey ranting jokes on TV is a dangerous argument to be really angry about.

im seeing brigsby bear tonite

xxp there's a huge difference between "letting them march unopposed" and "getting into fistfights"

i don't know if depriving neo-nazis of the oxygen of your attention is better than confronting them (tho that's often the argument made about ignoring other radical groups prone to violence) but it's certainly not a /bad/ argument.

Why is everyone automatically assuming that Tina Fey playing a character screaming at a cake before shoveling it into her mouth is meant to be taken as a 100% sympathetic, valorous character? Isn't a big chunk of the joke here that, despite meaning well and thinking some good, rational things re: how to be a decent person under normal circumstances, we're watching a terrified person who has no idea what to do so she's settled on screaming at her food before eating it? How do you remove the portion of the presentation where she is obviously terrified and doesn't know what to do and have anything cogent to critique?

Why is everyone automatically assuming that Tina Fey playing a character screaming at a cake before shoveling it into her mouth is meant to be taken as a 100% sympathetic, valorous character?

This is a very valid, Verhoeven-ian point.

adam have u ever seen this photo y/n

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/08528d151a87c5ee48640c115edd31759dc2fbdf/c=102-0-1689-1190&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/Montgomery/2015/03/01/B9316206437Z.1_20150301013352_000_G059UEA5G.1-0.jpg

Why is everyone automatically assuming that Tina Fey playing a character screaming at a cake before shoveling it into her mouth is meant to be taken as a 100% sympathetic, valorous character?

Whether or not it was meant as satire, it's certainly not being taken that way.

Tina Fey with the sanest response to #Charlottesville of all https://t.co/y8vqH6ySo3 via @crooksandliars

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) August 18, 2017

xxp there's a huge difference between "letting them march unopposed" and "getting into fistfights"

But when the alt-rite are there looking to start a fight, and you show up ready to give them that fight, and there's an inevitable fight, and violence escalates, and the alt-rite uses that to fan their flames make excuses etc, I think that can be counter-productive.

Hosting a larger rally across town, or standing along their path with your back turned, or showing up to do the hora in front of the synagogue with greater numbers, those might be more productive activities.

xp That's just it. There's cognitive dissonance because the targeted audience here agrees with everything she's saying about Nazis/Ann Coulter.

Whether or not it was meant as satire

I mean, it is obviously satire. Do you actually believe that Tina Fey is saying that the way to solve these problems is to binge-eat a cake made by minorities? Do you also believe that Jonathan Swift earnestly meant for poor people to sell children the couldn't take care of to rich people so they can be eaten? Come on.

i'm unsurprised that the Harry Potter creator is immune to comedy, however pedestrian

Congratulations on finding someone who understands comedy even less than yourself, then.

I mean, it is obviously satire. Do you actually believe that Tina Fey is saying that the way to solve these problems is to binge-eat a cake made by minorities?

I've heard mainstream libs make dumber arguments. fwiw I am willing to give her the benefit of *some* doubt, and if it was satire then she inspired a lot of people to show their asses on this and I commend her

"One in a row!" as Jerry Lewis says

xp

But when the alt-rite are there looking to start a fight, and you show up ready to give them that fight, and there's an inevitable fight, and violence escalates, and the alt-rite uses that to fan their flames make excuses etc, I think that can be counter-productive.

"...sometimes being on the receiving end of violence is the whole point. That’s how you expose the hypocrisy and rot you’re struggling against. They attack unprovoked. You don’t counterattack. You’re hurt. The world sees. Hearts change. It takes tremendous courage: Your body ends up being the canvas that bears the evidence of the violence you’re fighting against."

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opinion/how-to-make-fun-of-nazis.html?referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

Satire can have multiple targets. The piece seems like it's going after neo Nazi assholes (good) while also commenting on/skewering paralyzing inaction. There is a comforting, inviting "I have felt that fear" response that a lot of people are responding to but it's also shown as hollow, particularly when juxtaposed against the mention of the counterprotestors.

Walking away from this with the attitude "Tina Fey is literally advocating that we sit on the couch and stuff our faces while marginalized people get hurt on our behalf" seems like the dumbest possible reading of this sketch, which given everything else that's happened over the past year doesn't really surprise me.

advocating for purely market-based solutions is a pretty standard line of argumentation for libs, far from surprised it's turned out to be catnip again here

jeez, are you guys gonna force me to watch an snl clip
the nazis have already won

there was one almost tossed-off line about where you should buy the cake, but I guess neolib manifestos don't have to be as big as a Tom Friedman book.

I would venture most of the people freaking out didn't watch the sketch and are reacting to a twitter moment or a buzzfeed headline

advocating for purely market-based solutions is a pretty standard line of argumentation for libs, far from surprised it's turned out to be catnip again here

Lord, protect me from my enemies and save me from my allies

alright that was pretty decent and as good as anything i've seen fey do. still no lols but a silly thing to get angry about in this immensely ratfucked cultural moment.

watch baroness von sketch everyone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNbDGRkeylc

I keep hearing good things about that - once again, bloody geoblocked

a silly thing to get angry about

on this I agree

but what does mr bean think of the nazis?

all the tapes for mr bean goes to nuremberg were destroyed before broadcast so we'll never find out

omg this is an actual thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibquH4oyUIs

if by 'sane' you mean exceedingly glib and worthless than yes https://t.co/QUezF7eWHc

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) August 18, 2017

the celebs are at it (making me flash back to the most ineffective but self-satisfied responses to Bush) again

— slackbot (@pareene) August 18, 2017

It's really incomprehensible that anyone would ever write a joke without thinking about how it helps advance the cause of revolution, isn't it?