Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

maybe it moves around in space and time

We saw it move. So yes probably.

The Matrix phone move was lame.

I thought it was great. He's still demanding answers, and ends up answering the phone only for it to boot him out of the room!

But it was the same shit from the Matrix

I didn't make that connection at all

i know it's been mentioned 1000x on this thread but the sound during the conversation between evil coop and jeffries was amazing. all of the looping, heaving, mechanical wheezings. when the phone ringing was added to the mix it racketed up the tension to unbelievable levels.

such a good headphone show.

Kinda disappointing that Evil Cooper doesn't seem to have any more insight into the plot than I do

anyone have any thoughts on what/where jeffries is now? or what he is?

beyond just "he's in the black lodge" i guess

Has it ever been mentioned what case Jeffries was investigating when he disappeared the first time?

Jeffries is now the Water, and that teapot is the Well

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dig yourself out of the shit

Has it ever been mentioned what case Jeffries was investigating when he disappeared the first time?

― sciatica, Monday, August 21, 2017 1:03 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://abovethestore.blogspot.com/2009/04/judy-judy-judy.html

Kyle's looped body language in the scene where he's clicking the remote was some fine acting

we are all judy

that link old lunch posted is very good

That blog is packed with all sorts of excellent speculative material. I read through pretty much the entire thing leading up to The Return.

xxxxxxxp?

I also suspect that Judy is Laura.

1) Given that Laura plays such a predominant role in the reaction to the nuclear blast, it seems that she would be worth searching for.

2) Since we have other characters who sort of have many names (Leland = Bob), it wouldn't be unusual for Laura to have one. Again, especially because she seems to have some sort of cosmic significance. (Maybe Judy is the good version of Bob?)

3) Cooper perhaps has met Judy/Laura: in the waiting room or in his dreams or whatever.

4) Finally given that movie references have been brought to the forefront (e.g., Sunset Boulevard), the Madeleine vs. Judy thing from Vertigo seems more compelling. But that's all speculation.

i like that the entire jeffries dialogue puts bad cooper in a position traditionally inhabited by good cooper in the original series

I was thinking maybe Susan Palmer or whatever's inhabiting her might be Judy.

anyone else get guild navigator vibez from jeffries?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGqdE1NdMTg

and the Judy Garland Briggs thing kinda jives seeing that Wizard of Oz is such a huge thing in FWWM

Movie references seem like more stable anchors in TP than anything else.

That is a good blog post (ty OL) but as the author admits Lynch just makes this shit up and revises as he goes along, seems like it'd be maddening to try to take any kind of scholarly approach to this stuff.

Yeah, that's a fool's errand, for sure. I read a very good essay which laid out a case for the Deer Meadow sequence/return of Phillip Jeffries in FWWM being a 'dream' (or whatever one might call those Lynchian sequences which are not meant to represent anything resembling objective reality), based largely on the original shooting script and what was subsequently altered after MacLachlan limited his participation in the film. It was all very convincing, but that whole theory has been pretty much demolished by events in The Return.

Rewatched 1st few scenes

Nadine crying out "I'M FINE NOW!" with manic intensity while holding a golden shit-shovel over her shoulder, Ed's like "lol seems legit"

Wonder how many more times we're gonna get that threnody needle drop

Some nice absurd humour in the Jeffries meeting, like Mr C taking out the pen & pad. Also when he asks if Jeffries called him 5 days ago, it's just funny to have a giant percolator say "ah don't have yoah numbah"

xp that theory is from John Thorne, wrapped in plastic creator & author of that same blog

Accepting that there are seemingly-simultaneous events which seem to be occurring asynchronously, do we have a peg on a general timeline for The Return? I was a little taken aback when Booper indicated that only five days had elapsed since the season started, but maybe that shakes out.

How many duplicate character names are there and is there much significance to them?

3 Bobs (evil Bob, Bobby Briggs and Bob the vet)
2 Mikes (one armed man, Bobby's friend)
2 Dougies (old guy who died in season 2, Dougie Jones)

Any more?

I lol'd at the reminder that this entire show has m/l taken place over 5 days

xp

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Fantastic, thank you!

How many duplicate character names are there

A shitload

and is there much significance to them?

I doubt it beyond like ~duality~

There are four Bills in the return alone, two candies, two betties, and so on

Some nice absurd humour in the Jeffries meeting

I'm a *little* disappointed they didn't continue the cod Southerner thing (bad accent, white suit) in Jeffries' noncorporeal form and instead made him a reprensentative of Northern Industry.

there are seemingly-simultaneous events which seem to be occurring asynchronously

i'm still not 100% sold that this is the case. the opening scene with cooper in the black lodge talking to the giant seems like the most obvious candidate for being out of place time-wise, but beyond that i don't really know of any "proof" that the las vegas stuff, for example, is taking place earlier, for example. i think it's possible, but i'm not buying it as a given yet.

I also laughed thinking about my previous assumption that Jeffries was the one who slipped Ray the gun "dressed as a guard", I pictured a giant percolator in a prison guard uniform. Then I remembered Ray was dealing with an imposter Jeffries, and I laughed even more at the image of a giant percolator in a prison guard uniform with a false moustache.

xp well mr c sends a text in this ep that Diane received like 6 episodes ago so there is some of that going on for sure

Rewatched Lost Highway recently and found it funny that about half of the character names were just reused from TP. I bet Lynch is annoyed that he has to make up names for characters and just half asses it.

First 40 or so mins of that is easily one of the best things he's done btw, and the rest wasn't as bad as I remembered.

ok i am incapable of remembering all this stuff but i thought we had already seen bad cooper text diane about las vegas before, and that when we saw it in this episode he was checking in again on the same issue

or maybe i'm thinking about the "dinner table" texts, which were presented semi-chronologically?

Yeah we didn't see him send the "Las Vegas?" - thinking about it tho it wouldn't be out of character for him to just keep sending the same text so this might not be the original we're seeing now

can't wait for bad cooper's next text to be all emojis

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But one comes out reversed

That timeline is making hash of my head. Log Lady is alive during Hawk's night walk to Glastonbury Grove, so his final conversation with her and her death are on the 3rd or later. But she's still telling him to look out for the one under the moon on Blue Pine Mountain, so it doesn't quite seem part of the denouement of the series' events.

They put up that timeline before the latest part aired so it'll be in need of revision already. Tbh I'm more confused about the hawk scene than ever after what seemed to be the log lady's final appearance!

She said "Laura is the one" and now she wants him to be sure to look out for the one she told him about, who's under the moon on Blue Pine Mountain, which seems a reasonable place for the coordinates to point to and to which the various strands of plot are converging.

I don't think Hawk's trip to Glastonbury Grove was out of sequence, there's all sorts of elliptical scenes in this and it was just a way to bring us to the extended Black Losge sequence.

Yeah I'm starting to agree with you. I guess we'll never know what tipped him off that "something is supposed to happen" at Glastonbury Grove that night, the extent of what he saw, why he didn't tell anyone, &c.

The one under the moon on the mountain is the black symbol that resembles the experiment, seen on Briggs's sketch, right?