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I also suspect that Judy is Laura.
1) Given that Laura plays such a predominant role in the reaction to the nuclear blast, it seems that she would be worth searching for.
2) Since we have other characters who sort of have many names (Leland = Bob), it wouldn't be unusual for Laura to have one. Again, especially because she seems to have some sort of cosmic significance. (Maybe Judy is the good version of Bob?)
3) Cooper perhaps has met Judy/Laura: in the waiting room or in his dreams or whatever.
4) Finally given that movie references have been brought to the forefront (e.g., Sunset Boulevard), the Madeleine vs. Judy thing from Vertigo seems more compelling. But that's all speculation.
― Pataphysician, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link
i like that the entire jeffries dialogue puts bad cooper in a position traditionally inhabited by good cooper in the original series
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:15 (six years ago) link
I was thinking maybe Susan Palmer or whatever's inhabiting her might be Judy.
― devvvine, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
anyone else get guild navigator vibez from jeffries?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGqdE1NdMTg
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
and the Judy Garland Briggs thing kinda jives seeing that Wizard of Oz is such a huge thing in FWWM
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:20 (six years ago) link
Movie references seem like more stable anchors in TP than anything else.
That is a good blog post (ty OL) but as the author admits Lynch just makes this shit up and revises as he goes along, seems like it'd be maddening to try to take any kind of scholarly approach to this stuff.
― sciatica, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
Yeah, that's a fool's errand, for sure. I read a very good essay which laid out a case for the Deer Meadow sequence/return of Phillip Jeffries in FWWM being a 'dream' (or whatever one might call those Lynchian sequences which are not meant to represent anything resembling objective reality), based largely on the original shooting script and what was subsequently altered after MacLachlan limited his participation in the film. It was all very convincing, but that whole theory has been pretty much demolished by events in The Return.
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:33 (six years ago) link
Rewatched 1st few scenes
Nadine crying out "I'M FINE NOW!" with manic intensity while holding a golden shit-shovel over her shoulder, Ed's like "lol seems legit"
Wonder how many more times we're gonna get that threnody needle drop
Some nice absurd humour in the Jeffries meeting, like Mr C taking out the pen & pad. Also when he asks if Jeffries called him 5 days ago, it's just funny to have a giant percolator say "ah don't have yoah numbah"
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:35 (six years ago) link
xp that theory is from John Thorne, wrapped in plastic creator & author of that same blog
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
Accepting that there are seemingly-simultaneous events which seem to be occurring asynchronously, do we have a peg on a general timeline for The Return? I was a little taken aback when Booper indicated that only five days had elapsed since the season started, but maybe that shakes out.
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link
How many duplicate character names are there and is there much significance to them?
3 Bobs (evil Bob, Bobby Briggs and Bob the vet)2 Mikes (one armed man, Bobby's friend) 2 Dougies (old guy who died in season 2, Dougie Jones)
Any more?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:39 (six years ago) link
I lol'd at the reminder that this entire show has m/l taken place over 5 days
xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:41 (six years ago) link
If interested, here is our draft timeline of #TwinPeaks events. Updated after each part. Not definitive, certainly has errors etc. 🍒🥧☕️ pic.twitter.com/NtLxbTmqM0— TimeForCakesAndAle (@TFCAA) August 19, 2017
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link
Fantastic, thank you!
― Gravy Zebra (Old Lunch), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link
How many duplicate character names are there
A shitload
and is there much significance to them?
I doubt it beyond like ~duality~
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:44 (six years ago) link
There are four Bills in the return alone, two candies, two betties, and so on
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
Some nice absurd humour in the Jeffries meeting
I'm a *little* disappointed they didn't continue the cod Southerner thing (bad accent, white suit) in Jeffries' noncorporeal form and instead made him a reprensentative of Northern Industry.
― sciatica, Monday, 21 August 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
there are seemingly-simultaneous events which seem to be occurring asynchronously
i'm still not 100% sold that this is the case. the opening scene with cooper in the black lodge talking to the giant seems like the most obvious candidate for being out of place time-wise, but beyond that i don't really know of any "proof" that the las vegas stuff, for example, is taking place earlier, for example. i think it's possible, but i'm not buying it as a given yet.
― na (NA), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:48 (six years ago) link
I also laughed thinking about my previous assumption that Jeffries was the one who slipped Ray the gun "dressed as a guard", I pictured a giant percolator in a prison guard uniform. Then I remembered Ray was dealing with an imposter Jeffries, and I laughed even more at the image of a giant percolator in a prison guard uniform with a false moustache.
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:51 (six years ago) link
xp well mr c sends a text in this ep that Diane received like 6 episodes ago so there is some of that going on for sure
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
Rewatched Lost Highway recently and found it funny that about half of the character names were just reused from TP. I bet Lynch is annoyed that he has to make up names for characters and just half asses it.
First 40 or so mins of that is easily one of the best things he's done btw, and the rest wasn't as bad as I remembered.
― sciatica, Monday, 21 August 2017 20:01 (six years ago) link
ok i am incapable of remembering all this stuff but i thought we had already seen bad cooper text diane about las vegas before, and that when we saw it in this episode he was checking in again on the same issue
― na (NA), Monday, 21 August 2017 20:08 (six years ago) link
or maybe i'm thinking about the "dinner table" texts, which were presented semi-chronologically?
― na (NA), Monday, 21 August 2017 20:12 (six years ago) link
Yeah we didn't see him send the "Las Vegas?" - thinking about it tho it wouldn't be out of character for him to just keep sending the same text so this might not be the original we're seeing now
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link
can't wait for bad cooper's next text to be all emojis
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 21 August 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link
☕️⏰👍
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
But one comes out reversed
That timeline is making hash of my head. Log Lady is alive during Hawk's night walk to Glastonbury Grove, so his final conversation with her and her death are on the 3rd or later. But she's still telling him to look out for the one under the moon on Blue Pine Mountain, so it doesn't quite seem part of the denouement of the series' events.
― May contain peanuts, tree nuts, soy, wheat, pits or pit fragments. (WilliamC), Monday, 21 August 2017 20:18 (six years ago) link
They put up that timeline before the latest part aired so it'll be in need of revision already. Tbh I'm more confused about the hawk scene than ever after what seemed to be the log lady's final appearance!
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link
She said "Laura is the one" and now she wants him to be sure to look out for the one she told him about, who's under the moon on Blue Pine Mountain, which seems a reasonable place for the coordinates to point to and to which the various strands of plot are converging.
I don't think Hawk's trip to Glastonbury Grove was out of sequence, there's all sorts of elliptical scenes in this and it was just a way to bring us to the extended Black Losge sequence.
― sciatica, Monday, 21 August 2017 20:26 (six years ago) link
Yeah I'm starting to agree with you. I guess we'll never know what tipped him off that "something is supposed to happen" at Glastonbury Grove that night, the extent of what he saw, why he didn't tell anyone, &c.
The one under the moon on the mountain is the black symbol that resembles the experiment, seen on Briggs's sketch, right?
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Monday, 21 August 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
why he didn't tell anyone
seems like that he doesn't actually remember it tbh
― Οὖτις, Monday, 21 August 2017 20:33 (six years ago) link
"something is supposed to happen" at Glastonbury Grove
bad coop restored to the lodge/good coop released imo. which obv didn't happen but was... supposed to happen
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 21 August 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
i expect the timeline doesn't line up there but it's the best explanation i got
that's my interpretation too
― Οὖτις, Monday, 21 August 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
That thing hangs in the air between the moon & the mountain on the map, rather than being on the mountain, in a literal sense.
Margaret's insistent tone really made it seem like she was talking about Laura. And we got another cut straight to the moon (possibly even the same shot) as in the ep where she finishes her conversation with Hawk by saying "Laura is the one" (cut to shot of moon while opening notes of "No Stars" play, then establishing shot of Roadhouse)
― sciatica, Monday, 21 August 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link
Was Bad Coop's mention of 1989 the first time Twin Peaks was ever tied to a specific year? And we still don't know who Mr Todd was working for, right?
― ArchCarrier, Monday, 21 August 2017 20:47 (six years ago) link
Todd was working for Mr. C
― sciatica, Monday, 21 August 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link
The date is given in the opening minutes of FWWM, I think, and then the flash-forward to Laura's final days is marked "One Year Later."
― one way street, Monday, 21 August 2017 21:05 (six years ago) link
Still loving the succinct Mr. Todd wrap-up with Chantal
― mh, Monday, 21 August 2017 21:44 (six years ago) link
Remembering the theory(-ish) that Good Coop leaving behind his shoes while transferring to Vegas was significant, so maybe the electric "download" that may make him return fully was all about his shoes :')
― Dancing on the Pylons, Monday, 21 August 2017 21:56 (six years ago) link
or maybe he's just dead
― Οὖτις, Monday, 21 August 2017 22:10 (six years ago) link
last three episodes devoted to Dougie's funeral
Bad Cooper shows up and tells amusing stories about Dianne and Audrey, everyone hugs and laughs at all the misunderstandings
― Οὖτις, Monday, 21 August 2017 22:11 (six years ago) link
heartwarming dad-son reconciliation talk between Mr. C and Richard
eddie vedder performs at the post-funeral
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 August 2017 22:13 (six years ago) link
BOB defeats everyone in next episode, last 2 episodes dedicated to the establishment of a representative democracy
― Karl Malone, Monday, 21 August 2017 22:14 (six years ago) link
RIP Dougie
Oh, I also just remembered: "Sharp Dressed Man" as played at the Roadhouse contains the words "new shoes"
― Dancing on the Pylons, Monday, 21 August 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
xxxxxxxxxxxxp I was also hoping for a surprise Xiu Xiu appearance when they announced "Sharp Dressed Man." was just thinking the other day how sick it would've been to have them play at the Roadhouse, they're several orders of magnitude better than everyone else that has played (except The Nine Inch Nails).
― flappy bird, Monday, 21 August 2017 22:31 (six years ago) link
I was really hoping ZZ Top was going to show up tbh, which would've been incredible
― Οὖτις, Monday, 21 August 2017 22:35 (six years ago) link