Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

I think it's just the scene didn't seem to be motivated by anything that came before (Hawk's got info that something's happening at Glastonbury Grove tonight? What kind of info? From where?) nor does it connect to anything that came after (Hawk sees the red curtains and then...what? Does something happen?) and since the opening Cooper scene also seems like it might be a flash-forward.

but yeah now it just seems like a weirdly unconnected scene, not a flash-forward or anything

Can never have too much Legendary Pink Dots references on here, welcome Pylons.

Great episode obv. Everything's already been said for this European who gets to watch this bonkers show a day later. Jeffries being a tea pot, Otis, Margaret... All stone cold classic TP scenes.

Like Karl, I stay away from the numerology. The matrix upthread about the different timelines ditto, I'm too dumb to follow all that surely. Following said dumbness: what is Bad Coop's 'raison d'etre' at this moment? What is his mission, what is he *looking* for? (apart from Judy but on a grander scale, what thrives him?)

you mean... what does he WANT

I'm not sure either but consensus on this thread appears to be that he wants to a) kill Dougie/Good Cooper, and b) fuck up the White Lodge

"WHO IS JUDY?!!?!"

will someone please tell him who Judy is, he's been very clear on this request

Spoiler: SALEM will be the band in the last episode.

Yeah what does he WANT! :D

You are probably right about those goals but for all his badassness he's presented as a character very much lead by what happens to other people, in other situations, instead of on a true path or mission on his own. I can't put my finger on it but for a 'bad spirit' he sure needs a lot of uhm help. Opening a door for Bad Coop? C'mon, he'd have whooped that door out of its frame!

On Audrey: batshit scenes. I get the person upthread who said it was 'dragging', to say the least. To me it comes across as something thoroughly unreal, not being what we see. When she jumps on Charlie saying 'I hate you! I hate you!' it's almost as she's trying to wake up from a nightmare. Take that as literal as you like.

Can never have too much Legendary Pink Dots references on here, welcome Pylons.

Thanks! :)

You are probably right about those goals but for all his badassness he's presented as a character very much lead by what happens to other people, in other situations, instead of on a true path or mission on his own. I can't put my finger on it but for a 'bad spirit' he sure needs a lot of uhm help. Opening a door for Bad Coop? C'mon, he'd have whooped that door out of its frame!

i think spirits help mr c the same way they help good coop,

Totally get the reference from 'We Bring The Day' too! It's 'Crazy Clown Time' in the beginning, but stretches out into 'The Air Is On Fire' territory towards the end. xp

I can't put my finger on it but for a 'bad spirit' he sure needs a lot of uhm help. Opening a door for Bad Coop? C'mon, he'd have whooped that door out of its frame!

I enjoy that aspect. Even an extremely strong bad spirit needs to harness, and may be foiled by, collective creativity! Bad Cooper is capitalism lololol #hottake

That is probably true Chaki. It wasn't a complaint to be clear, just befuddlement. xp

Totally get the reference from 'We Bring The Day' too! It's 'Crazy Clown Time' in the beginning, but stretches out into 'The Air Is On Fire' territory towards the end. xp

― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, August 21, 2017 7:35 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They clearly were very immersed in TP back in the early 90s; this mid-90s interview contains an anecdote about a particularly strange show with Roadhouse vibes that reads all the more eerie in retrospect because, well, a woodsman was present! https://legendarypinkdots.org/c51-interviews/an-interview-with-edward-ka-spel-of-the-legendary-pink-dots-divine-madness/

Of course, the Dots' work has a lot of affinities with Lynch's in general -- the overall surrealist aesthetic, dream logic, gorgeous pop songs turning very disturbing... it has been a nice experience to, in a sense, combine these worlds over the last weeks.

and then he had to fuck it all up with that amanda palmer collab

lol

If only the Legendary Pink Dots could throw Eddie Vedder in the vortex and take the stage at the Roadhouse, that would be sublime. Xiu Xiu also a perfect fit not happening, sadly.

I am completely surprised that we have yet to see Lana Del Rey nor Zoey Deschanel as music guests.

There was so much talk of LDR appearing that for a while I thought she's on the cast list (which I had never looked at) but, well, she isn't

Would be as appropriate as Lady Gaga (or Eddie Vedder come to think of it).

Richard Hawley seems like a perfect fit for Lynch imo

http://i.imgur.com/J4cDowa.jpg

very apt

fwiw, I saw Wild at Heart for the first time tonite and Nicolas Cage's character is staying in room 351 at one point. probably means nothing

this is the best fucking thing on television

we don't deserve this y'all

i bawled like a got damn baby at the norma & ed scene

still baffled by the audrey shit but every other outre thing lynch proposed has reached a conclusion that makes sense for the story so i'm willing to keep the faith

It's crazy how these episodes actually get better with each rewatch ( have watched all twice so far). Like a great album.

Jeffries and his environment had a very Duchampian vibe to me

Come to think of it Lynch's oblique approach to his mythos is pretty Duchampian in a certain respect.

jeffries' room is one of the best set pieces in the entire series. so beautiful and oblique

what things haven't been 'resolved' yet? glass box and whoever is behind it; that's the only really mysterious important point I can think of right now.

Abandoned On The Air, my dvd-r has a bad stutter issue. Ep 1 is sort of OK? Betty is a Lucy/Candy style naif, although pushed really far into maybe actual mental illness. Interestingly, where Betty is from 'the birds sing a pretty song and there's always music in the air'. Bud is Albert, and softens noticeably in the same way Albert does by his return in TP S2. Gochktch is Gordon Cole, in that his vocal and physical tics can only be interpreted by the beautiful Ruth. Shorty is an immortal giant, Blinky sees extra dimensions and McGonigle appears to be a trans-dimensional being. Arguably Lester Guy transcends Dick Tremayne, but superficially they're the same.

It feels really slight, but I think there might be something to it. I might go back to it, or wait because apparently Mark Frost wants it on the blu-ray of The Return.

oh another thing, maybe someone already mentioned this, but I thought it was interesting that Albert and Gordon seemed to only just remember the encounter with Jeffries from FWWM a few episodes ago, which I guess could be a retcon to address why this was never mentioned in the series originally, but also seems to indicate that this entire episode was hidden from their (and probably Cooper's) memories by the Lodge, or something.

jeffries' room is one of the best set pieces in the entire series. so beautiful and oblique

what things haven't been 'resolved' yet? glass box and whoever is behind it; that's the only really mysterious important point I can think of right now.

Who's Judy, what's going on with Sarah, what happened with Diane & Mr C/what's she up to, how does Naido figure in, what did Laura whisper in cooper's ear (this is a big one I think), what does the fourth diary page say. I think there's a big one I'm forgetting.

feel like the entire thing is mysteries.

how's annie

Where's Donna

WHAT HAPPENED TA JOSIEEE

What'll happen w/ Dougie's family? What's up with Audrey? Who/where is Billy? What's the green glove for? Shelly and her drug dealer boyfriend, when are they gonna get Eddie Vedder over with, just off the top of my head...

the hum at the great northern

All 3 of the Fireman's clues to Cooper in the first scene

They're not going to resolve any of this.

They're definitely going to resolve some of this.

What's the deal with Ed's hairdo? is the big one that needs addressed.

Ed's a big richard Spencer fan

I remembered the other big one: the identity of not-Jeffries. I guess I can see why people are saying Albert, because there are so few candidates among characters we know, he's had dealings with Jeffries & acted shifty at points this season, is the only blue rose agent who hasn't been taken to the lodge (he claims!) - but I don't buy it. Albert is a naysayer and hatchet man in the fight against violence and will be with Constance, not BOB.

The really obvious answer is the other Philip aka MIKE, as a known antagonist of mr c who has been "with BOB" before. Feels a little too neat tho so who the fuck knows. If it turns out to be windom fucking earle I'll kick my tv in lol

until further notice i assume that earle's soul was utterly annihilated by the lodge

Even given further notice I'll choose to believe that

I still wonder if MIKE is walking around with a new host (the person who made the phone call), and Philip Gerard is simply trapped in the Lodge, like Leland.

That's one of the original show mysteries that I'd still like Lynch to untangle. BOB is shown as this discrete entity who possesses or rides other discrete entities, so I have to wonder if we've ever actually seen MIKE (as opposed to just his usual host).

I'm still curious why Cole had that vision of Laura crying a few episodes ago