Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

did albert mention chet when talking to tammy? I can't remember.

Yeah

Also worth noting that the Missing Pieces (to the extent that they are 'canon') pretty decisively deep six the Deer Meadow dream theory (largely because said theory was supported largely by what Lynch had omitted from/altered in FWWM) and feature, for instance, Cooper discussing Desmond's disappearance with Sam Stanley.

well Desmond was kind of a prick, who would want him back

I don't know if Jeffries wound up in the Black Lodge because he came into possession of the ring, but it does seem as if his phone has a little ring.

xp I mean Albert's a prick too but I feel like they'd bother looking for him if he were gone (dgmw I know chet's no Albert)

I could be fuzzy on the ins & outs of the dream theory but my understanding is that those missing pieces scenes would also be part of the dream?

One of my favorite things about this is how many scenes we've had that are odd and unsettling and sometimes funny whose relationship to the whole is a bit mysterious and elliptical. That's such a rarity in tv, and these brief bits that are more than "set pieces", that have their own internal weird logic that lasts for the length of the scene, are Lynch at his best imo.

So there's lots of stuff still unresolved that I'm actively hoping does not get resolved.

And (unrelated) since Mr. C seems committed to murdering his former helpers I can't wait for Tim Roth to die a pathetic and humiliating death, easily my least favorite performance of the 200 or so so far.

a more chill,chrome caterpillar from alice in wonderland.

the more I think about it the more this seems otm, right down to the steam/smoke-blown numbers, which is very: https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia3.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FvJ6LGDsUHG5RS%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1

xxpost It's worth reading the entire essay if you can find it (I read it in the recently-released Wrapped In Plastic-affiliated book) as it goes into great detail in pointing out how the deliberate deletion of scenes and alterations to the shooting script not only compensated for MacLachlan's limited involvement (as the original script featured him going through the Deer Meadow investigation) but threw out pointed suggestions that what we were seeing was not objective reality (the suggestion being, I believe, that the film up through Jeffries appearing and disappearing was Cooper's mind sorting through the details of the Blue Rose cases). I believe the theory hinged on the idea that we never actually saw Cooper in the real world in FWWM (or Jeffries, for that matter), which doesn't really hold water if you take the Missing Pieces into account.

Yeah I'm not into Roth at all. I could live without the hutches in general tbh, much as I love jjl. Someone upthread said their scene this ep was like an ott Tarantino riff, to me that describes all their scenes

xps

" I can't wait for Tim Roth to die a pathetic and humiliating death"

at some point tim roth became an unbearable actor to me, I don't know when.

Q

he's fine for me, there's just not that much material for him to work with

xxpost It's worth reading the entire essay if you can find it (I read it in the recently-released Wrapped In Plastic-affiliated book) as it goes into great detail in pointing out how the deliberate deletion of scenes and alterations to the shooting script not only compensated for MacLachlan's limited involvement (as the original script featured him going through the Deer Meadow investigation) but threw out pointed suggestions that what we were seeing was not objective reality (the suggestion being, I believe, that the film up through Jeffries appearing and disappearing was Cooper's mind sorting through the details of the Blue Rose cases). I believe the theory hinged on the idea that we never actually saw Cooper in the real world in FWWM (or Jeffries, for that matter), which doesn't really hold water if you take the Missing Pieces into account.

Oh I've read the essay (we see Cooper in the real world in fwwm, saying "the killer will strike again" into his dictaphone and talking to Albert about the next victim); I don't know where that missing piece was supposed to go but I think it can be part of the dream. You just have to bend the text to force it in, which has always been the case with that theory.

I didn't mean to post the letter Q just now btw

I thought it was a Bible textual criticism gag...

i really dislike the cooper dream theory btw

Yeah Thorne has been quite upfront about the fact that the theory essentially stems from his just not liking the deer meadow section on first watch*, which is a bad starting point imo

* and I suspect a lot of ppl picked it up and ran with it because it explained continuity not matching, which wtf you are banned from watching twin peaks

Speaking of theories has anyone considered the possibility that Dougie electrocuting himself killed him and that there's now only one Coop?

No

covered upthread

I'm sticking with my "receiving a download from the beyond" theory until proven differently

it was the first thing that came to mind upon viewing, especially after Jeffries said "so you are Cooper"... anyway I'm sure it's extremely unlikely but whatever

i must have missed it in my fever to catch up with the thread xposts

I will feel really heartbroken if the first thing he says is "Janey, I'm sorry, I don't know how to explain this... but I'm not Dougie"

of course then we find out Janey-E has been a double agent the entire time and, while she's enjoyed her marriage, she knew Dougie was fake

also maybe Sonny Jim turns into a gold bean

Janey-E dies heroically, Sonny Jim adopted by Jade

There only being one coop is like... the end

yes precisely. idk, it would be interesting.

Speaking of Dale's new family, I read the Bocko review of this part and he's really unbothered about the possibility of anything bad going down in Vegas, assuming the hutch threat will be neutralised in typical Dougie fashion. I hope that's true but I feel like we've had about 3 episodes of Janey "I'm so happy, everything's going great, no bad thing could possibly happen now" b/w Chantal "I can't wait to torture someone, good thing we have all these killings to do in Las Vegas ps I like junk food can't remember if i mentioned before"

the other possibility that occurred to me is that right after he shoved that fork into the outlet, his body disappeared as he was transported to the lodge

yeah seems like next step is JJL+Roth vs Dougie...? BOB's run out of other options

Yeah and obviously Dale will survive that as well I'm just worried for Janey and sonny jim

janey seems pretty tough

I agree but a sniper rifle is a sniper rifle

(I think we'll see Janey & Diane at some point so she'll prob be ok. Sonny Jim tho)

That would fucking suck

xp obv

My quibble with the structure of this show, especially in this final stretch, is that it's not always clear what's important. That Sarah Palmer scene in particular... in the original series, the reveal that Leland was possessed was a massive game changer. Now a character we've known for 25 years can rip her face off and kill somebody and it may or may not be a big deal at all.

The supernatural stuff was always the most interesting part of the original series to me, but now there's so much of it, and it happens so indiscriminately it doesn't have the same impact at all

My quibble with the structure of this show, especially in this final stretch, is that it's not always clear what's important.

This is a feature, not a bug

otm

xp oh yeah, it's intrinsic to the series, and those digressions often pay off beautifully. But it definitely costs the show some narrative drive. Like, there's no such thing as a cliffhanger in this series now, because there's no guarantee any given thread will even be mentioned again

I will go way out on a limb and suggest that the Sarah Palmer scene will turn out to be a big deal

feels like that's the overarching theme of this season: the original Twin Peaks, and some of the material after that, had these characters that were trying to find out more about these otherworldly things, either because they'd seemingly stumbled into them like Cooper investigating Laura's murder, or Major Briggs doing research and finding out details very slowly

the things that happened twenty-five years ago seem to have been a tipping point, with the atomic explosion being the initial incursion point, and things have just been leaking through and affecting the real world for a couple decades

On Coup putting the fork in the socket: what we saw was Janey-E going "eeeeeek!" looking at 'us' (in the camera). She was standing in the kitchen iirc. Did she see whatever happened to him when he put the fork in, or not? I though there was a wall between the kitchen and the room he was in.

Just asking to determine if we think she saw something happening or just heard something terrible, don't know how we were supposed to understand this.

i dont think we are supposed to care

dude..

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xp yeah she wasn't in a position to be able to see him, she just heard it + saw the flash of light

i almost teared up at the big ed and norma moment. for me, the moments in this show that i've really enjoyed have mainly been those that focus on interactions between characters from the original series. if I'm totally honest i really have gotten little to nothing out of buckhorn, vegas, tim roth and jjl, audrey and husband, roadhouse booth conversations, and tbh the albert, gordon, and tammy stuff hasn't been particularly to my liking either. it's not really the tenor of this thread but i basically find this season disappointing, but with great moments and the odd really strong episode. not really all that different from my feelings about season 2 tbh, in fact maybe i enjoyed that more.