Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

i really dislike the cooper dream theory btw

Yeah Thorne has been quite upfront about the fact that the theory essentially stems from his just not liking the deer meadow section on first watch*, which is a bad starting point imo

* and I suspect a lot of ppl picked it up and ran with it because it explained continuity not matching, which wtf you are banned from watching twin peaks

Speaking of theories has anyone considered the possibility that Dougie electrocuting himself killed him and that there's now only one Coop?

No

covered upthread

I'm sticking with my "receiving a download from the beyond" theory until proven differently

it was the first thing that came to mind upon viewing, especially after Jeffries said "so you are Cooper"... anyway I'm sure it's extremely unlikely but whatever

i must have missed it in my fever to catch up with the thread xposts

I will feel really heartbroken if the first thing he says is "Janey, I'm sorry, I don't know how to explain this... but I'm not Dougie"

of course then we find out Janey-E has been a double agent the entire time and, while she's enjoyed her marriage, she knew Dougie was fake

also maybe Sonny Jim turns into a gold bean

Janey-E dies heroically, Sonny Jim adopted by Jade

There only being one coop is like... the end

yes precisely. idk, it would be interesting.

Speaking of Dale's new family, I read the Bocko review of this part and he's really unbothered about the possibility of anything bad going down in Vegas, assuming the hutch threat will be neutralised in typical Dougie fashion. I hope that's true but I feel like we've had about 3 episodes of Janey "I'm so happy, everything's going great, no bad thing could possibly happen now" b/w Chantal "I can't wait to torture someone, good thing we have all these killings to do in Las Vegas ps I like junk food can't remember if i mentioned before"

the other possibility that occurred to me is that right after he shoved that fork into the outlet, his body disappeared as he was transported to the lodge

yeah seems like next step is JJL+Roth vs Dougie...? BOB's run out of other options

Yeah and obviously Dale will survive that as well I'm just worried for Janey and sonny jim

janey seems pretty tough

I agree but a sniper rifle is a sniper rifle

(I think we'll see Janey & Diane at some point so she'll prob be ok. Sonny Jim tho)

That would fucking suck

xp obv

My quibble with the structure of this show, especially in this final stretch, is that it's not always clear what's important. That Sarah Palmer scene in particular... in the original series, the reveal that Leland was possessed was a massive game changer. Now a character we've known for 25 years can rip her face off and kill somebody and it may or may not be a big deal at all.

The supernatural stuff was always the most interesting part of the original series to me, but now there's so much of it, and it happens so indiscriminately it doesn't have the same impact at all

My quibble with the structure of this show, especially in this final stretch, is that it's not always clear what's important.

This is a feature, not a bug

otm

xp oh yeah, it's intrinsic to the series, and those digressions often pay off beautifully. But it definitely costs the show some narrative drive. Like, there's no such thing as a cliffhanger in this series now, because there's no guarantee any given thread will even be mentioned again

I will go way out on a limb and suggest that the Sarah Palmer scene will turn out to be a big deal

feels like that's the overarching theme of this season: the original Twin Peaks, and some of the material after that, had these characters that were trying to find out more about these otherworldly things, either because they'd seemingly stumbled into them like Cooper investigating Laura's murder, or Major Briggs doing research and finding out details very slowly

the things that happened twenty-five years ago seem to have been a tipping point, with the atomic explosion being the initial incursion point, and things have just been leaking through and affecting the real world for a couple decades

On Coup putting the fork in the socket: what we saw was Janey-E going "eeeeeek!" looking at 'us' (in the camera). She was standing in the kitchen iirc. Did she see whatever happened to him when he put the fork in, or not? I though there was a wall between the kitchen and the room he was in.

Just asking to determine if we think she saw something happening or just heard something terrible, don't know how we were supposed to understand this.

i dont think we are supposed to care

dude..

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/34/1a/81/341a819c6917b8bb28908586e544c9e3.jpg

xp yeah she wasn't in a position to be able to see him, she just heard it + saw the flash of light

i almost teared up at the big ed and norma moment. for me, the moments in this show that i've really enjoyed have mainly been those that focus on interactions between characters from the original series. if I'm totally honest i really have gotten little to nothing out of buckhorn, vegas, tim roth and jjl, audrey and husband, roadhouse booth conversations, and tbh the albert, gordon, and tammy stuff hasn't been particularly to my liking either. it's not really the tenor of this thread but i basically find this season disappointing, but with great moments and the odd really strong episode. not really all that different from my feelings about season 2 tbh, in fact maybe i enjoyed that more.

That Norma & Ed scene has really been bothering me. It was beautiful, but it was cut with the revelation that Ed had chosen to stay with Nadine after she flipped out of her high school delusion in the S2 finale. It was never stated whether or not Ed would stay with Nadine, and I assumed (having just seen the S2 finale for the first time like 2 weeks ago) that Ed & Norma had been together for 25 years. Even the scene from a couple episodes ago where Norma suddenly has this guy Walter in her life, I guessed her and Ed separated at some point, probably recent, within those 25 years. Nadine reveals for the first time in the most recent episode that Ed stayed with her. So Norma & Ed kissing over Otis Redding was great, yeah, but it also fucking sucked because they already acted that scenario out in the S2 finale 25 years ago. Knowing that they lost an additional 25 years is more heartbreaking than them 'finally getting together,' which I thought was the case all along.

ugh

yeah jim in re to what you're saying, i find a lot of the newer characters pretty weak. Especially Steven who is terrible. In some ways the watered down bullies like Richard and Steven are almost effective in a narrative way, like what happened to the town for 25 years to birth such pathetic posers?

Yeah, I'm feeling a lot of what Jim is saying too. Someone upthread said they were very worried about Becky and I was like... why would you even care about her?

(Although well done for caring, whoever that person was!)

I only care about Becky because I care about Shelly.

thread has taken a horrible turn

I don't know if anything much can be gleaned from this, but still: interesting. "I'm waiting for someone..."
https://youtu.be/_BH7yDBQaS8

Becky's cool

Yeah, still very worried for Becky

I like Steven, that febrile, deranged, fey air he has reminds me of Brad Dourif in DUNE and BLUE VELVET. And Becky's had a couple of focal moments which have heightened the show for me. Definitely appreciate both.

watched a youtube video that pointed out that the building where the glass box is doesn't exist - the aerial shot of Lower Manhattan in the first episode shows the building in place of Trinity Church, which was severely damaged and very nearly destroyed on 9/11. from wikipedia:

During the September 11 terrorist attacks, as the first World Trade Center tower collapsed, people took refuge from the massive debris cloud inside the church. Falling wreckage from the collapsing tower knocked over a giant sycamore tree that had stood for nearly a century in the churchyard of St. Paul's Chapel, which is part of Trinity Church's parish and is located several blocks north of Trinity Church.

i'm rewatching FWWM tonight. i know it's been said before, but sheryl lee is just something else in this. i just watched the scene where the coke deal with bobby shoots the drug deal liaison in the woods. before that, she's playing the part of the super drunk/fucked up person, which is so hard to do, i think, and she fucking nails it. and then

don't you know what you did?

you killed mike.

*three-quarters smile with a completely different set of eyeball emotion, then she gets the giggles again*

"bobby...you killed mike!!! *falls over laughing*

just perfect. it's a crime that she's listed with the other actors at the beginning, alphabetically, while kyle maclachlan gets a special shoutout. not that machlachlan does a bad job. if anything, his performance is kind of otherworldly. it's weird, delivered in a way that's unlike his TP performance in a way that's hard to explain.

on reevaluation eric dare still sucks

sheryl lee in FWWM is one of the finest performances i've ever seen

i haven't seen FWWM in way too long. i wish i would have watched it again before the new series!

the closing scene puts Dougie in a whole new light. i'm probably misreading this but whatever, but this is what it says to me:

the final moments of FWWM are laura in the red room, watching the angel, with cooper standing at her side, blankly, with his hand on her shoulder. matched with the music, a climactic choral piece, it leaves you with the strong impression that this is the end state, the afterlife, not heaven, but something lasting. that is laura (or the "good" laura's) final destination, or maybe where she was the whole time. and the same for cooper, beside her. the 'IRL' scenes of twin peaks are the temporary dreams, the red room is the underlying reality. that shot of cooper, at the end, immediately reminded me of dougie. he was just ~there~, doing the right thing, almost autonomously. so the dougie scenes in las vegas don't seem like such an apparition to me now as much as a sort of a reflection of his status quo. it's really special agent dale cooper that's the apparition. i dunno, or none of that. but man, what a film. two thumbs up. PRETTY HIGH UP

it's a crime that she's listed with the other actors at the beginning, alphabetically, while kyle maclachlan gets a special shoutout.

She's not listed alphabetically, she gets star billing.