the alt-right

a major difference between Charlottesville and Boston is that the former is in an open-carry state while the latter isn't. the presence of arms makes all these moral calculations a lot more complicated. they embolden the extremists and dramatically increase the chance of violence.

it was smart of the ACLU to draw that line

oh yeah, scanned over the crucial modifier "armed". definitely an important distinction, good for the ACLU

voodoo chili is correct about the presence of weapons. it might or might not be wrong to strike first at people who advocate genocide but when they are all packing very deadly heat, and raising them in front of crowds while advocating for a platform of ethnic cleansing, their behavior verges into assault IMO. they pose an active danger of real harm to the most vulnerable people in the communities they descend upon.

i am still processing all this ethically tbh and i'm not quite ready to say that i'm 100% okay with beating them up before they do something even worse. but yknow i mean we're talking about screaming "you will not replace us!" to black churches while brandishing firearms. it's never simply a matter of speech with these guys - there were cases in charlottesville of nazis going after people - chases, intimidation, bullying, battery. they're trying out their program while they're speaking about it and are always on the verge of being more straightforwardly a lynch mob. might be that without violent antifa we would have seen much worse violence against local queers, PoC, etc. i don't know. i've been thinking myself in circles about this a lot this week. it's fucked.

might be that without violent antifa we would have seen much worse violence against local queers, PoC, etc. i don't know

http://religiondispatches.org/dispatch-from-charlottesville-it-was-a-war-zone-it-felt-like-there-were-a-million-nazis/
"Also, let me make clear that without antifa and anarchists being present in the streets, I may have been killed at the hands of fascists and white supremacists. This is important."

Cornel West (full disclosure: I think he is kind of nuts) said the same thing re: himself and the non-violent clergy he was there with

*Reads this dreck in a grown-up tone of voice*

regardless of this silly statement, I do think there's a legit legal argument to be made (and the ACLU would appear to agree on this point) that armed, marching groups chanting hateful rhetoric is an explicit threat of violence that should not be protected by the 1st Amendment.

I read all your posts in the voice of a 3 yo tbh

Chomsky manages to sound even worse than you - which is saying something.

chomsky is bad now

You guys don't really need to argue with the resident tankie that much

You guys don't really need to argue with the resident tankie that much

Dammit

the resident BF Skinner more like

chomsky is bad now

― k3vin k., Tuesday, 22 August 2017 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

On this occasion, yeah. I expect better from him, but its perhaps the one occasion where you feel there is a thing to the 'ivory tower' crit - too far away from the immediate dangers.

We're cooking now lads were cookin

Does this cook of what?

You guys don't really need to argue with the resident tankie that much

― .oO (silby), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Tonight, I, uh, had to kill a lot of comrades"

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EBupU2CiEQ0/maxresdefault.jpg

life sure comes at u fast these days pic.twitter.com/ClCcSmActa

— KRANG T. NELSON (@KrangTNelson) August 21, 2017

what's a tankie

Why should any private citizen initiate violence with a bunch of armed maniacs?

Organise ppl.

apologist for communist violence particularly stalin/mao xxp

tankie = stalinist basically

iirc it originated in britain and was a pejorative term for hardline cpgb members who supported the russian invasions (tanks rolling in hence the name) of hungary and czechoslovakia

wait, so has bethune finally come back to us then?

iirc Silby got to know some of my mannerisms through the Castro thread

Its pretty desperate I just want Nazis dead. Although Stalin, by killing them in the end, would do a far better job than many of you.

surprised you aren't disappointed in Stalin for not pre-emptively invading Nazi Germany instead of being a totally deluded pussy and then getting caught flatfooted when they started to slaughter millions of his citizens

'in the end'

you would just go on a hoo-hah about the 1st amendment as they kill us.

is this larry?

Is this?

https://www.gq.com/story/dylann-roof-making-of-an-american-terrorist/amp

nah it's

http://taskandpurpose.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Screen-Shot-2016-06-07-at-5.05.12-PM.jpg

larry's not British

(neither is Aldo Raines btw)

brb going on a hoo-hah

I raised the First Amendment question in the free speech thread and Beria, Stalin, Zinoniev, et. al were not consulted.

Scent of a truman xp

http://i.imgur.com/NjnuKFG.jpg

is this larry?

it's julio

in that krang t nelson tweet above, btw, millennial matt wasn't sent scarpering by violence and guns but because someone brought a camera and documented the rally on the internet

That person could go to another place, rebuild and organise with others.

And why wouldn't many learn from this and put masks in future?

Has anyone itt ever taken part in an act of political violence

i voted lib dem once

Damn, step back

No. It doesn't matter either way.

Just checking

But now that Stevie has given away my not so secret actual name (lol) I could be lying.

Ah don't worry I'd say we all believe you tbh

welp, here we go

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Federal-permit-approved-for-far-right-rally-in-11953450.php

I've seen plans for a counter-rally at the downtown civic center but idk that seems like weak sauce to me. these people should be surrounded and shouted down by 10s of thousands just like in Boston.