Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

xp yeah she wasn't in a position to be able to see him, she just heard it + saw the flash of light

i almost teared up at the big ed and norma moment. for me, the moments in this show that i've really enjoyed have mainly been those that focus on interactions between characters from the original series. if I'm totally honest i really have gotten little to nothing out of buckhorn, vegas, tim roth and jjl, audrey and husband, roadhouse booth conversations, and tbh the albert, gordon, and tammy stuff hasn't been particularly to my liking either. it's not really the tenor of this thread but i basically find this season disappointing, but with great moments and the odd really strong episode. not really all that different from my feelings about season 2 tbh, in fact maybe i enjoyed that more.

That Norma & Ed scene has really been bothering me. It was beautiful, but it was cut with the revelation that Ed had chosen to stay with Nadine after she flipped out of her high school delusion in the S2 finale. It was never stated whether or not Ed would stay with Nadine, and I assumed (having just seen the S2 finale for the first time like 2 weeks ago) that Ed & Norma had been together for 25 years. Even the scene from a couple episodes ago where Norma suddenly has this guy Walter in her life, I guessed her and Ed separated at some point, probably recent, within those 25 years. Nadine reveals for the first time in the most recent episode that Ed stayed with her. So Norma & Ed kissing over Otis Redding was great, yeah, but it also fucking sucked because they already acted that scenario out in the S2 finale 25 years ago. Knowing that they lost an additional 25 years is more heartbreaking than them 'finally getting together,' which I thought was the case all along.

ugh

yeah jim in re to what you're saying, i find a lot of the newer characters pretty weak. Especially Steven who is terrible. In some ways the watered down bullies like Richard and Steven are almost effective in a narrative way, like what happened to the town for 25 years to birth such pathetic posers?

Yeah, I'm feeling a lot of what Jim is saying too. Someone upthread said they were very worried about Becky and I was like... why would you even care about her?

(Although well done for caring, whoever that person was!)

I only care about Becky because I care about Shelly.

thread has taken a horrible turn

I don't know if anything much can be gleaned from this, but still: interesting. "I'm waiting for someone..."
https://youtu.be/_BH7yDBQaS8

Becky's cool

Yeah, still very worried for Becky

I like Steven, that febrile, deranged, fey air he has reminds me of Brad Dourif in DUNE and BLUE VELVET. And Becky's had a couple of focal moments which have heightened the show for me. Definitely appreciate both.

watched a youtube video that pointed out that the building where the glass box is doesn't exist - the aerial shot of Lower Manhattan in the first episode shows the building in place of Trinity Church, which was severely damaged and very nearly destroyed on 9/11. from wikipedia:

During the September 11 terrorist attacks, as the first World Trade Center tower collapsed, people took refuge from the massive debris cloud inside the church. Falling wreckage from the collapsing tower knocked over a giant sycamore tree that had stood for nearly a century in the churchyard of St. Paul's Chapel, which is part of Trinity Church's parish and is located several blocks north of Trinity Church.

i'm rewatching FWWM tonight. i know it's been said before, but sheryl lee is just something else in this. i just watched the scene where the coke deal with bobby shoots the drug deal liaison in the woods. before that, she's playing the part of the super drunk/fucked up person, which is so hard to do, i think, and she fucking nails it. and then

don't you know what you did?

you killed mike.

*three-quarters smile with a completely different set of eyeball emotion, then she gets the giggles again*

"bobby...you killed mike!!! *falls over laughing*

just perfect. it's a crime that she's listed with the other actors at the beginning, alphabetically, while kyle maclachlan gets a special shoutout. not that machlachlan does a bad job. if anything, his performance is kind of otherworldly. it's weird, delivered in a way that's unlike his TP performance in a way that's hard to explain.

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sheryl lee in FWWM is one of the finest performances i've ever seen

i haven't seen FWWM in way too long. i wish i would have watched it again before the new series!

the closing scene puts Dougie in a whole new light. i'm probably misreading this but whatever, but this is what it says to me:

the final moments of FWWM are laura in the red room, watching the angel, with cooper standing at her side, blankly, with his hand on her shoulder. matched with the music, a climactic choral piece, it leaves you with the strong impression that this is the end state, the afterlife, not heaven, but something lasting. that is laura (or the "good" laura's) final destination, or maybe where she was the whole time. and the same for cooper, beside her. the 'IRL' scenes of twin peaks are the temporary dreams, the red room is the underlying reality. that shot of cooper, at the end, immediately reminded me of dougie. he was just ~there~, doing the right thing, almost autonomously. so the dougie scenes in las vegas don't seem like such an apparition to me now as much as a sort of a reflection of his status quo. it's really special agent dale cooper that's the apparition. i dunno, or none of that. but man, what a film. two thumbs up. PRETTY HIGH UP

it's a crime that she's listed with the other actors at the beginning, alphabetically, while kyle maclachlan gets a special shoutout.

She's not listed alphabetically, she gets star billing.

Did other people think the voices were slightly out of sync in the Audrey/Charlie scene?

In many ways I feel like with this show there are characters and there are inhabitants. in many ways the "do I care about this person" is a question that doesn't apply whereas "is this a person" is a question I often ask, which I find fascinating.

in many ways

Also: I've started to see Audrey and Charlie as analogous to the rabbit family in Inland Empire

Huh, the way Cooper touches Laura's arm in the FWWM angel scene is like the way mike's arm (tmfap) touches him when he demands his garmonbozia back from Bob. Is Cooper like the "arm" of Laura? (The bigger, golden orb spirit of goodness Laura)

Or touches her shoulder, I should say. Cooper and tmfap look at the ones they're touching, not directly at the angel or bob, respectively

Amanda Seyfried is doing a good job as Becky; as for whether or not I care about her character: most of them are getting a relatively small number of scenes, appearing at the most a couple of times per episode every two or three weeks. It's hard for anyone new to break through when there's so many other questions about the narrative and they're competing with established interest in the older characters. Naomi Watts has had more to work with, for example, and I'm more invested in her character's fate.

The minor characters' stories (esp in twin peaks itself) work for me the way that short fiction does - I can respond to good actors in interesting situations without having had hours/years to "invest" in them. I love the roadhouse scenes which are kinda the ultimate example of this.

Magritte/Lynch

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― Karl Malone, Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:48 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well, when your mom is the casting director, sometimes you get a part

Very nice

xp

Yeah that's great

well, when your mom is the casting director, sometimes you get a part

lollllll I never knew this!

Yeah, Johanna Ray is Eric Da Re's mom. It wasn't quite nepotism iirc when amick was reading for the part of Shelly he was just around & helping out by supplying Leo's lines, & lynch liked their chemistry

^insert punctuation as appropriate

Not only do we have a top tier review of Part 15 of @SHO_TwinPeaks, but an interview with Freddie Sykes himself: https://t.co/xyenjXZINk pic.twitter.com/bjp2B1900T

— TwinPeaks S3 podcast (@TPSeason3) August 23, 2017

Right at the end of this podcast they interview jake wardle, it's pretty interesting - he goes into how he was cast, the exaggerated nature of the accent (he is from the east end irl but does not talk like that)

The whole ep is p good, there's some discussion of a funny theory that's apparently out there re Audrey. One of the hosts also speculates that the bosomy woman is a nod to psycho, because the actor is male & appears to manage the motel

If anyone is a fan of The Best Show, AP Mike got the guy who plays the drunk in the jail to call in for a few minutes last night. It's Mike's favorite character, which is perfect if you know the show.

yes looking forward to that, i haven't listened to the episode yet but i saw mike hounding the guy on twitter to call in

whoever upthread said the guy who plays steven is brad dourif-esque is otm, he's got the bug eyes and wispy moustache and everything

dourif chills me to the bone, steven grosses me out

Amanda Seyfried is doing a good job as Becky; as for whether or not I care about her character: most of them are getting a relatively small number of scenes, appearing at the most a couple of times per episode every two or three weeks. It's hard for anyone new to break through when there's so many other questions about the narrative and they're competing with established interest in the older characters.

They've established enough about Becky to make the viewer care if and when the expected horrific thing happens. Also, we definitely care about Shelley and Bobby and anything that happens to her affects them directly.

We rewatched FWWM right before the new season, and then we rewatched it again last night -- this time thru, all kinds of things clicked. Not that elegant plotting has ever been the point of TP, but it's still pretty impressive that they've tried to connect so many threads all the way through the first series to FWWM to TP:TR.

Also, this time thru FWWM I really realized how much of it is made up of these extended freak-out set pieces, with lots of music and lights and little or no dialogue. It's a pretty spectacular film, and very much has its own vibe distinct from either of the TV series.

If anyone is a fan of The Best Show, AP Mike got the guy who plays the drunk in the jail to call in for a few minutes last night. It's Mike's favorite character, which is perfect if you know the show.

― Chris L, Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:52 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Looooooool, of course he is. I clearly need to catch up!

but it's still pretty impressive that they've tried to connect so many threads all the way through the first series to FWWM to TP:TR.

This my big takeaway from the new series, the reveal that every single loose thread in that movie had significant meaning and purpose. It's fascinating to ponder how much of that movie's mythology Lynch knew at the time then sat on for 25 years, versus how much he made up after the fact

Also doing the math in my head, and if it took a 16 hour extrapolation for that 2 and 1/2 hour movie to make complete sense, it'd take about another 115 hours of television to completely explain and tie up the loose ends of this new series

i don't really see what significant things about fwwm have been revealed by the return. am i just being dense?

all the f'n phillip jeffries stuff! the room above the convenience store!

The woodsmen!

Carl!

all the f'n phillip jeffries stuff! the room above the convenience store!

― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:19 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The woodsmen!

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:24 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i still find that stuff really enigmatic though!

But now it has more to go with it, where in the movie it was just kinda out of nowhere.

the main takeaway was that we needed more Carl, and we have received more Carl