I'm gonna guess the cover subjects are his girlfriend, and their son.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 02:22 (six years ago) link
https://assets.rbl.ms/3349689/980x.jpg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 04:58 (six years ago) link
This song is fucking slop.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 05:02 (six years ago) link
I like the song. Nice vocal by BC's standards lately.
― Sam Weller, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 09:41 (six years ago) link
I probably won't listen to this - listening to the last Pumpkins record basically confirmed to me that I'm done with new Corgan stuff. Think I'll stick to the original SP, the Zwan LP and Oceania. I don't think I need any more Corgan stuff.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 10:00 (six years ago) link
the one i listen to the most these days = zwan.i love that album.
― mark e, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 12:53 (six years ago) link
yeeeaah, that is not really the issue
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
I'd rather hear him do more acoustic/chamber music than RAWK out at this point.
by "jam" i wasn't really referring to RAWK. the quieter/more dynamic moments on the last few sp albums are the high points generally ("ma belle," "stellar," "pale horse," etc.). i've said this in another sp thread but the best rockin' sp2 track is "lightning strikes" imo even though it sounds sorta like a hybrid of thefutureembrace and zeitgeist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qcZEX2iDYQ
anyway the new song is still dogshit
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 16:01 (six years ago) link
actually revisiting that song: i always forget how much i dislike mike byrne's drumming
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 16:03 (six years ago) link
mike byrne is the worst. Colors my opinion of all the songs he played on. I agree though all the Zeitgeist b-sides are better than gen record, which says something about Bill's judgment.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link
I really liked Sasha Geffen's write-up of the song, particularly their description of Bill's voice:
Corgan, who’s trying to rebrand himself under his full birth name William Patrick Corgan, has one of the most idiosyncratic voices in rock: high, raspy, and perforated, like it’s being filtered through a rusted metal grille at the end of a half-full sewer pipe. It made the Smashing Pumpkins stand out during the grunge years and it makes Corgan stand out now—24 years after “Cherub Rock,” no one else sings like that.
although I'm puzzled by this: "The first single off his second solo album, meanwhile, barely sees him raise his voice above a whisper." Sure, he's not shouting, this isn't Bullet, but I hear a lot of push & passion in his voice, a big part of why I like this song so much is that it sounds like Billy actually gives a shit for the first time in years.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
is he really not getting any blowback for the "redface" shit on the cover? crazy. Coyne was pilloried for less.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
Maybe his wife is Native American? Hopefully?
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link
his wife is French and Asian
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
girlfriend, whatever
wtf BC
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
this is her dad: http://www.infomat.com/whoswho/gillesmendel.html
her mom's name is Jenny Mui
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link
even if she was Native American I would hope she would know at least one of the common spellings of Oglala/Ogallala
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oglala_Lakota
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link
new single
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1ZnYLBKs-o
― flappy bird, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
sub-Guy Maddin video
― Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link
Saw him play this live with SP last year on the In Plainsong tour, iirc they closed the show with it. it was a total shred fest, Jimmy pounding on the drums. I dig this version, especially the double-tracked vox on the refrain, but I hope the rest of the album is more in line with "Aeronaut." I think that might be my favorite post-2000 song that Bill has written, besides "Chrysanthemum."
xp the video is footage from his short film Pillbox. I didn't bother watching it. Not into any of his extracurricular shit
― flappy bird, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link
was hoping dude would save this song for a sp record
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 29 September 2017 23:00 (six years ago) link
the arrangement is less uninteresting than that other song though, and i was surprised that i actually liked the imagery in the video (even as its apparently taken from a longer film), his videos have been embarrassing for ages now
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 29 September 2017 23:06 (six years ago) link
the melody sounds like something adam levine would sing
― Erotic Wolf (crüt), Friday, 29 September 2017 23:14 (six years ago) link
He opened all the In Plainsong shows last year with a new song called "Cardinal Rule." I wonder if that's on here under a different title or if it was scrapped/relegated to a b-side. Good song.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 30 September 2017 03:03 (six years ago) link
i'm listening to this. it's
1. not very embarrassing at all!2. occasionally inspired! ("mandarynne" reminds me of "once in a while" a lot and probably for that reason i think it's the best song here)3. still v weird and imbalanced in mixing, mastering, arrangement, etc. 4. lyrically unforgivable
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link
it's sort of what i expected the never-recorded chicago songs album to sound like with slightly hookier songs
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
Well that's pretty promising! Billy has set the bar so low for himself. Gonna wait for my LP to come in the mail to listen, but happy to hear that he actually gives a shit again. re: lyrics... lol let me guess, lots of "lovers"? I think "Aeronaut" is fantastic but my man can't write a song without some line about "lovers." Mixing issues seem endemic to any Rick Rubin project.
Apparently Bill said that if this does well, he'll release Chicago Songs. yeah ok sure guy
― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link
http://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/554282861/first-listen-william-patrick-corgan-ogilala
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Thursday, October 5, 2017 11:15 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah and i bet if you play this theoretical chicago songs disc backwards you unlock the metro dvd
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:18 (six years ago) link
ha! and only then will the Machina Mystery finally be solved.
fwiw he did record Chicago Songs, it does exist, but he shelved it after (brace yourself) he went on Netphoria after debuting those songs & saw people were pissed that he wasn't playing electric guitar.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link
whoops i didn't brace myself
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link
Stay strong
― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
guy should've read more blamonet
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
Billy absolutely went on blamo & netphoria & the o-board. i mean he uses SPFC to remember lyrics in all those Madame ZuZus performances.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:41 (six years ago) link
https://www.channel4.com/news/billy-corgan-on-fake-news
― Sam Weller, Monday, 9 October 2017 12:32 (six years ago) link
The most surprising thing to me is not Billy's, um, views, but the fact that Channel 4 sent a crew over to do the interview in the first place. Didn't think the UK cared that much for BC/SP anymore, and I have lived in the UK for almost a decade.
― Sam Weller, Monday, 9 October 2017 12:42 (six years ago) link
oh yeah that's right every time i engage with a mediocre new billy corgan project i need to remind myself that he somehow sucks even more now than he used to
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 9 October 2017 14:28 (six years ago) link
"seems to back conspiracy theories"
quality reporting there
why do you guys give this asshole a pass
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 October 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
I mean it'd be one thing if he was still creating good, compelling work but he isn't and he hasn't for a couple decades now
smashing pumpkins were my first favorite band and for some reason i can't let go
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 9 October 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
Never been a Corgan/SP fan, but am a sucker for Rick Rubin elder production (Neil Diamond's 12 Songs as much as Cash). Into this, two songs in.
― Eazy, Monday, 9 October 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link
"smashing pumpkins were my first favorite band and for some reason i can't let go
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson)"
I relate with this so badly. Still have to listen to the new one, but i'm so afraid.
― Nourry, Monday, 9 October 2017 16:33 (six years ago) link
burn your idols
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 9 October 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, October 9, 2017 12:22 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i'm with Brad, SP is my favorite band & their music has been with me my whole life, although i disagree with this, couple decades is too harsh (Adore, SP's last masterpiece, came out in '98, & the Machina albums are awesome even if unfinished/compromised). he's still an amazing guitarist, and I really, really love "Aeronaut." even if you just count material written & recorded '88-00, that's nearly 200 songs, and I can't think of many SP1 bonafide duds.
i haven't seen the interview but i'm sure it's indefensible & stupid
― flappy bird, Monday, 9 October 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
Is Billy Corngasm actually going by 'Bill' these days or is that all you, flappy?
― the scarest move i ever seen is scary move 4 (Old Lunch), Monday, 9 October 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
he's going by william patrick corgan
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 9 October 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
no i just think it's funny to call him Bill. and yeah he's going by his full name or just WPC for this record
― flappy bird, Monday, 9 October 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link
i'd like to upgrade my opinion from "not embarrassing" to "my favorite thing dude's put out since machina 2"
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 16 October 2017 02:57 (six years ago) link