Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

sheryl lee in FWWM is one of the finest performances i've ever seen

i haven't seen FWWM in way too long. i wish i would have watched it again before the new series!

the closing scene puts Dougie in a whole new light. i'm probably misreading this but whatever, but this is what it says to me:

the final moments of FWWM are laura in the red room, watching the angel, with cooper standing at her side, blankly, with his hand on her shoulder. matched with the music, a climactic choral piece, it leaves you with the strong impression that this is the end state, the afterlife, not heaven, but something lasting. that is laura (or the "good" laura's) final destination, or maybe where she was the whole time. and the same for cooper, beside her. the 'IRL' scenes of twin peaks are the temporary dreams, the red room is the underlying reality. that shot of cooper, at the end, immediately reminded me of dougie. he was just ~there~, doing the right thing, almost autonomously. so the dougie scenes in las vegas don't seem like such an apparition to me now as much as a sort of a reflection of his status quo. it's really special agent dale cooper that's the apparition. i dunno, or none of that. but man, what a film. two thumbs up. PRETTY HIGH UP

it's a crime that she's listed with the other actors at the beginning, alphabetically, while kyle maclachlan gets a special shoutout.

She's not listed alphabetically, she gets star billing.

Did other people think the voices were slightly out of sync in the Audrey/Charlie scene?

In many ways I feel like with this show there are characters and there are inhabitants. in many ways the "do I care about this person" is a question that doesn't apply whereas "is this a person" is a question I often ask, which I find fascinating.

in many ways

Also: I've started to see Audrey and Charlie as analogous to the rabbit family in Inland Empire

Huh, the way Cooper touches Laura's arm in the FWWM angel scene is like the way mike's arm (tmfap) touches him when he demands his garmonbozia back from Bob. Is Cooper like the "arm" of Laura? (The bigger, golden orb spirit of goodness Laura)

Or touches her shoulder, I should say. Cooper and tmfap look at the ones they're touching, not directly at the angel or bob, respectively

Amanda Seyfried is doing a good job as Becky; as for whether or not I care about her character: most of them are getting a relatively small number of scenes, appearing at the most a couple of times per episode every two or three weeks. It's hard for anyone new to break through when there's so many other questions about the narrative and they're competing with established interest in the older characters. Naomi Watts has had more to work with, for example, and I'm more invested in her character's fate.

The minor characters' stories (esp in twin peaks itself) work for me the way that short fiction does - I can respond to good actors in interesting situations without having had hours/years to "invest" in them. I love the roadhouse scenes which are kinda the ultimate example of this.

Magritte/Lynch

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on reevaluation eric dare still sucks

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:48 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well, when your mom is the casting director, sometimes you get a part

Very nice

xp

Yeah that's great

well, when your mom is the casting director, sometimes you get a part

lollllll I never knew this!

Yeah, Johanna Ray is Eric Da Re's mom. It wasn't quite nepotism iirc when amick was reading for the part of Shelly he was just around & helping out by supplying Leo's lines, & lynch liked their chemistry

^insert punctuation as appropriate

Not only do we have a top tier review of Part 15 of @SHO_TwinPeaks, but an interview with Freddie Sykes himself: https://t.co/xyenjXZINk pic.twitter.com/bjp2B1900T

— TwinPeaks S3 podcast (@TPSeason3) August 23, 2017

Right at the end of this podcast they interview jake wardle, it's pretty interesting - he goes into how he was cast, the exaggerated nature of the accent (he is from the east end irl but does not talk like that)

The whole ep is p good, there's some discussion of a funny theory that's apparently out there re Audrey. One of the hosts also speculates that the bosomy woman is a nod to psycho, because the actor is male & appears to manage the motel

If anyone is a fan of The Best Show, AP Mike got the guy who plays the drunk in the jail to call in for a few minutes last night. It's Mike's favorite character, which is perfect if you know the show.

yes looking forward to that, i haven't listened to the episode yet but i saw mike hounding the guy on twitter to call in

whoever upthread said the guy who plays steven is brad dourif-esque is otm, he's got the bug eyes and wispy moustache and everything

dourif chills me to the bone, steven grosses me out

Amanda Seyfried is doing a good job as Becky; as for whether or not I care about her character: most of them are getting a relatively small number of scenes, appearing at the most a couple of times per episode every two or three weeks. It's hard for anyone new to break through when there's so many other questions about the narrative and they're competing with established interest in the older characters.

They've established enough about Becky to make the viewer care if and when the expected horrific thing happens. Also, we definitely care about Shelley and Bobby and anything that happens to her affects them directly.

We rewatched FWWM right before the new season, and then we rewatched it again last night -- this time thru, all kinds of things clicked. Not that elegant plotting has ever been the point of TP, but it's still pretty impressive that they've tried to connect so many threads all the way through the first series to FWWM to TP:TR.

Also, this time thru FWWM I really realized how much of it is made up of these extended freak-out set pieces, with lots of music and lights and little or no dialogue. It's a pretty spectacular film, and very much has its own vibe distinct from either of the TV series.

If anyone is a fan of The Best Show, AP Mike got the guy who plays the drunk in the jail to call in for a few minutes last night. It's Mike's favorite character, which is perfect if you know the show.

― Chris L, Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:52 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Looooooool, of course he is. I clearly need to catch up!

but it's still pretty impressive that they've tried to connect so many threads all the way through the first series to FWWM to TP:TR.

This my big takeaway from the new series, the reveal that every single loose thread in that movie had significant meaning and purpose. It's fascinating to ponder how much of that movie's mythology Lynch knew at the time then sat on for 25 years, versus how much he made up after the fact

Also doing the math in my head, and if it took a 16 hour extrapolation for that 2 and 1/2 hour movie to make complete sense, it'd take about another 115 hours of television to completely explain and tie up the loose ends of this new series

i don't really see what significant things about fwwm have been revealed by the return. am i just being dense?

all the f'n phillip jeffries stuff! the room above the convenience store!

The woodsmen!

Carl!

all the f'n phillip jeffries stuff! the room above the convenience store!

― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:19 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The woodsmen!

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:24 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i still find that stuff really enigmatic though!

But now it has more to go with it, where in the movie it was just kinda out of nowhere.

the main takeaway was that we needed more Carl, and we have received more Carl

Speaking of Surrealist refs in Lynch, a friend pointed out the similarity of Naido's arrival to Étant Donnés by Duchamp - hoping this slight crop will prevent it from being unsafe for the workplace:
http://i.imgur.com/9Go5yE2.jpg

carl seems to have had a big of a change of heart. he was supremely cranky, though not malevolent, in fwwm. seems like a real nice dude in the return

hey woke him up before 9am!!

he's already been places

Yeah, he was only cranky wrt folks ignoring his clearly-posted instructions.

he was also cranky when chester desmond comes back in the evening though. he didn't have a sign about after 9pm

Carl's good to go so long as he has enough Good Morning America

imo the perception that fwwm's mysteries are being explained away just comes from the incongruity of seeing elements like Jeffries, Judy, the ring and the blue rose placed within a more Frostian narrative mode. I think in the end a lot of this stuff will remain pretty inscrutable tho, and we'll get very concrete answers to some old mysteries but in a way that only raises more questions - which is what fwwm itself did.

Given frost's lack of input into the film it is interesting how much they're leaning on things introduced in that film like electricity & all the blue rose stuff & the fat trout, while stuff from the series like the owls & the bookhouse boys recede into the background or are ignored altogether.

I was just thinking this evening that this series could use more Frost. Kinda bathetic that the Man from Another Place's eerie "Eeellhuctriccitty" just referred to exactly that, too. Oh well.

All the dialogue in that scene is incredibly literal!

Wins otm about FWWM

I know! I preferred not knowing :(

Has there been any speculation on why the appearance of the convenience store and the Woodsmen differs so much between FWWM and The Return? Or is it safe to assume that it's just an instance of Lynch deciding 'I want things to look like this now'?

I know! I preferred not knowing :(

― albvivertine, Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:01 AM (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

do you really know that much more

But I mean the electricity motif was firmly established in the film itself, with the character of the electrician and the many shots of power lines accompanied by the whoop of the little man/arm. "Electricity!" is one of the least enigmatic lines of dialogue ever uttered in the lodge pretty much from the off.