the alt-right

Ah don't worry I'd say we all believe you tbh

welp, here we go

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Federal-permit-approved-for-far-right-rally-in-11953450.php

I've seen plans for a counter-rally at the downtown civic center but idk that seems like weak sauce to me. these people should be surrounded and shouted down by 10s of thousands just like in Boston.

you should go then!

I gave it a lot of thought, but I had already signed up to do a phone bank for Swing Left that afternoon, and I don't think my wife wants to take the kids to an event where there could be potential violence. I understand that my temple is going to be involved with the counter-protests at least.

From the sound of it there are a lot of people going to Crissy Field. There were ~150 people just at the security training hosted by SURJ last night.

Why in the world was the 'progressive'/leftist reaction to the Charlottesville violence the EXACT SAME THING they admonish conservatives for -- a sneering "talk to the white people in your life and chastise them about white terrorism"?? -- this is precisely how ppl like, say, Milo Yiannopolis react to islamic terrorism. it's completely idiotic.

it's also a kind of noblesse oblige on behalf of fake white progressives - 'we would never, ever expect you all to take the high road when it comes to dealing with terrorists within your own identity clique... but we will' fucking phony and disgusting.

I actually haven't heard that particular reaction anywhere; just some people pointing out the hypocrisy there, "imagine people actually saying this...?"

the thing that I wish got acknowledged more in all these idiot debates about whether or not the "Antifa" are "just as bad" or somewhat as bad or whatever is the hypothetical, "what if it was an ISIS rally?" ISIS shows up on the streets, armed to the teeth, chanting their ISIS slogans, and literally murders someone. now imagine there are counter-protestors, some of whom *do* start shit a bit prematurely, but ultimately outnumber and cause the ISIS folk to retreat. doesn't every single one of those people get hailed as an American hero, first and foremost by the President himself?

Why in the world was the 'progressive'/leftist reaction to the Charlottesville violence the EXACT SAME THING they admonish conservatives for -- a sneering "talk to the white people in your life and chastise them about white terrorism"?? -- this is precisely how ppl like, say, Milo Yiannopolis react to islamic terrorism. it's completely idiotic.

that's a really strange way to characterize it. "chastise" them about white terrorism? "dealing with terrorists within your own identity clique"? are you saying a common reaction was for people on the left to advise everyone to tell their neo-nazi friends to fuck off? and that's the same as Milo fucking Milo talking about islamic terrorism? what? i guess i'm just like milo then, but yeah if you have a friend that's a neo-nazi you should probably tell them to fuck off and never talk to them again. sounds good to me. there's no high road there, there's just a big wide road and the being friends with a neo-nazi road.

does milo advise people to chastise the terrorists in their life? i only hate read him once but i guess i wouldn't put it past him.

firmly chastise a terrorist today

facebook status update: i have had it up to HERE with my friends who are terrorists. if you're not a terrorist, like this message so i know who to NOT unfollow.

but yeah if you have a friend that's a neo-nazi you should probably tell them to fuck off and never talk to them again. sounds good to me. there's no high road there, there's just a big wide road and the being friends with a neo-nazi road.

NO ONE has a friend who's a neo nazi. these are several hundred or maybe thousand people in a country of hundreds of millions, probably about the same % as muslims who are terrorists. do you feel similarly compelled to remind all muslims to talk to their terrorist friends and tell them it's not cool?

i was being sarcastic because it's silly to imagine masses of people on the left calling out their neo-nazi friends. but that's what you characterized as the 'progressive'/leftist reaction.

milo yiannopolis is not a muslim, last i checked. the kinds of comments that i think sleepingbag is caricaturing are of the "hey other white liberals, i know we're used to being noncommittal or changing the subject when our family members or friends say racist or reactionary things but we need to stand up" or whatever, which we've basically been hearing endless variations on since the election especially.

Yeah, that's a really dumb equivalency. We live in a white supremacist democratic republic. If ISIS ran their territories as a democratic republic and hardcore jihadists were gaining traction I would consider it a duty of any Islamic Isis-ian to speak out against them and challenge their friends and family to confront their own biases to try to ensure there wouldn't be any more beheadings.

Even that is an incredibly weak parallel but it's a lot closer to reality than sleepingbag's comparison.

I think the idea was to get white people to talk about white supremacy, not white terrorism?

Who is sleepingbag

I cannot translate their post

my preferred pronoun when you don't know who i am is 'his or her', fyi

I think the idea was to get white people to talk about white supremacy, not white terrorism?

― Frederik B, Thursday, August 24, 2017 2:35 AM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok... to what end?

I like how you're trying to elide the fact that your last post was incomprehensible bullshit by asking Fred B for clarification of his post

I think the idea was to get white people to talk about white supremacy, not white terrorism?

― Frederik B, Thursday, August 24, 2017 2:35 AM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok... to what end?

― sleepingbag, 24. august 2017 10:56 (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

To practice pronunciation. 'white supremacy, white supremacy, white su-PRE-macy, white su-PREE-macy'. Good for the mouth.

You know what else is good for the mouth

these are several hundred or maybe thousand people in a country of hundreds of millions

otm but the media amplification bubble is so strong people are convinced half the country is a hatemonger

that and the election of a hatemonger as president

That's a wee bit of a giveaway.

maybe I don't understand the US electoral system and it only took a few hundred or maybe thousand votes to put a Nazi sympathiser in the White House

Yeah, the problem lies with the US electoral two-party system, rather than with the people. Half the American people don't like nazi sympathisers, they just prefer nazi sympathisers to women.

"Their" is a much more elegant choice, and as an added attraction avoids gender binary issues x-post

Are you sure? Hillary Clinton was an absolutely god awful candidate, regardless of her sex. I voted for her, but that walk to the voting booth was one of the longest in memory.

The problem is we have a two-party system, and both parties represent an oligarchy who's making a huge mess of people's lives. So we have a lot of disempowered, angry people who are also misled by the same amoral, unethical corporations (via the media) that have been doing this to them.

People seem to forget that stunning Princeton study that showed voters have a 0% influence on legislation passed.

Democrats only pass bandaid shit like the ACA to keep their legitimacy, but that doesn't have to last forever, and I very much doubt it's a long-term plan on their part, considering the resources they pour into fighting single payer or the burgeoning labor movement.

We are on our own out here. You morons, snap out of it.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

What? You're a fucking sociopath, dude. You have no place to complain about Trump.

senisbile, proportionate response from ilx's most woke poster

senisbile? sorry, meant to write penisbile obv

"loooool epidemic political corruption, the dead lives caused by it, and our worsening lives is FUCKING FUNNy AS SHIT DUDES"

you're right, i should be making hostile posts on a board broadly sympathetic to my diagnosis of the western world's ills instead of... anything else

I don't think this board is sympathetic to it at all

Are you sure?

― carpet_kaiser, 24. august 2017 13:35 (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm 100% sure, serious, sane and sertain.

I don't think this board is sympathetic to it at all

people aren't sympathetic to you because you're a tiresome, performative irritant

that's not the same thing as thinking 'epidemic political corruption' or 'worsening lives' aren't a real thing

now fuck off you cunt

Who is sleepingbag

We know who carpet_kaiser is

Are they different people tho

http://www.ilovebarbra.com/uploads/2/4/7/7/24773060/s133162934126535664_p31_i1_w2560.jpeg

a quick search shows sleepingbag writing posts since back in 2006

Guys what was that short lived 1979 sitcom starring Maclean Stevenson called? It's on the tip of my tongue...

Ulcer?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/29/Hello_Larry_tv_show.jpg

http://s44.radikal.ru/i104/1003/08/52942312035b.jpg

it's important to keep your sock drawer locked

lol how did sleepingbag revive a thread to complain about how he can't say "retard" anymore and not get banned from this site

Pobrecito

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— Raw Story (@RawStory) August 24, 2017

when the fuck are they gonna arrest the parking lot dudes

I assume we're not claiming that when people say 'Nazi' they mean actual members of the Nazi Party? Any more than 'Commie' refers to members of the Communist Party.

(lots of x-posts)