I really liked Sasha Geffen's write-up of the song, particularly their description of Bill's voice:
Corgan, who’s trying to rebrand himself under his full birth name William Patrick Corgan, has one of the most idiosyncratic voices in rock: high, raspy, and perforated, like it’s being filtered through a rusted metal grille at the end of a half-full sewer pipe. It made the Smashing Pumpkins stand out during the grunge years and it makes Corgan stand out now—24 years after “Cherub Rock,” no one else sings like that.
although I'm puzzled by this: "The first single off his second solo album, meanwhile, barely sees him raise his voice above a whisper." Sure, he's not shouting, this isn't Bullet, but I hear a lot of push & passion in his voice, a big part of why I like this song so much is that it sounds like Billy actually gives a shit for the first time in years.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
is he really not getting any blowback for the "redface" shit on the cover? crazy. Coyne was pilloried for less.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
Maybe his wife is Native American? Hopefully?
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link
his wife is French and Asian
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
girlfriend, whatever
wtf BC
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
this is her dad: http://www.infomat.com/whoswho/gillesmendel.html
her mom's name is Jenny Mui
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link
even if she was Native American I would hope she would know at least one of the common spellings of Oglala/Ogallala
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oglala_Lakota
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link
new single
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1ZnYLBKs-o
― flappy bird, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
sub-Guy Maddin video
― Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link
Saw him play this live with SP last year on the In Plainsong tour, iirc they closed the show with it. it was a total shred fest, Jimmy pounding on the drums. I dig this version, especially the double-tracked vox on the refrain, but I hope the rest of the album is more in line with "Aeronaut." I think that might be my favorite post-2000 song that Bill has written, besides "Chrysanthemum."
xp the video is footage from his short film Pillbox. I didn't bother watching it. Not into any of his extracurricular shit
― flappy bird, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link
was hoping dude would save this song for a sp record
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 29 September 2017 23:00 (six years ago) link
the arrangement is less uninteresting than that other song though, and i was surprised that i actually liked the imagery in the video (even as its apparently taken from a longer film), his videos have been embarrassing for ages now
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 29 September 2017 23:06 (six years ago) link
the melody sounds like something adam levine would sing
― Erotic Wolf (crüt), Friday, 29 September 2017 23:14 (six years ago) link
He opened all the In Plainsong shows last year with a new song called "Cardinal Rule." I wonder if that's on here under a different title or if it was scrapped/relegated to a b-side. Good song.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 30 September 2017 03:03 (six years ago) link
i'm listening to this. it's
1. not very embarrassing at all!2. occasionally inspired! ("mandarynne" reminds me of "once in a while" a lot and probably for that reason i think it's the best song here)3. still v weird and imbalanced in mixing, mastering, arrangement, etc. 4. lyrically unforgivable
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link
it's sort of what i expected the never-recorded chicago songs album to sound like with slightly hookier songs
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
Well that's pretty promising! Billy has set the bar so low for himself. Gonna wait for my LP to come in the mail to listen, but happy to hear that he actually gives a shit again. re: lyrics... lol let me guess, lots of "lovers"? I think "Aeronaut" is fantastic but my man can't write a song without some line about "lovers." Mixing issues seem endemic to any Rick Rubin project.
Apparently Bill said that if this does well, he'll release Chicago Songs. yeah ok sure guy
― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link
http://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/554282861/first-listen-william-patrick-corgan-ogilala
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Thursday, October 5, 2017 11:15 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah and i bet if you play this theoretical chicago songs disc backwards you unlock the metro dvd
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:18 (six years ago) link
ha! and only then will the Machina Mystery finally be solved.
fwiw he did record Chicago Songs, it does exist, but he shelved it after (brace yourself) he went on Netphoria after debuting those songs & saw people were pissed that he wasn't playing electric guitar.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link
whoops i didn't brace myself
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link
Stay strong
― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
guy should've read more blamonet
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
Billy absolutely went on blamo & netphoria & the o-board. i mean he uses SPFC to remember lyrics in all those Madame ZuZus performances.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:41 (six years ago) link
https://www.channel4.com/news/billy-corgan-on-fake-news
― Sam Weller, Monday, 9 October 2017 12:32 (six years ago) link
The most surprising thing to me is not Billy's, um, views, but the fact that Channel 4 sent a crew over to do the interview in the first place. Didn't think the UK cared that much for BC/SP anymore, and I have lived in the UK for almost a decade.
― Sam Weller, Monday, 9 October 2017 12:42 (six years ago) link
oh yeah that's right every time i engage with a mediocre new billy corgan project i need to remind myself that he somehow sucks even more now than he used to
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 9 October 2017 14:28 (six years ago) link
"seems to back conspiracy theories"
quality reporting there
why do you guys give this asshole a pass
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 October 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
I mean it'd be one thing if he was still creating good, compelling work but he isn't and he hasn't for a couple decades now
smashing pumpkins were my first favorite band and for some reason i can't let go
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 9 October 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
Never been a Corgan/SP fan, but am a sucker for Rick Rubin elder production (Neil Diamond's 12 Songs as much as Cash). Into this, two songs in.
― Eazy, Monday, 9 October 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link
"smashing pumpkins were my first favorite band and for some reason i can't let go
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson)"
I relate with this so badly. Still have to listen to the new one, but i'm so afraid.
― Nourry, Monday, 9 October 2017 16:33 (six years ago) link
burn your idols
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 9 October 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, October 9, 2017 12:22 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i'm with Brad, SP is my favorite band & their music has been with me my whole life, although i disagree with this, couple decades is too harsh (Adore, SP's last masterpiece, came out in '98, & the Machina albums are awesome even if unfinished/compromised). he's still an amazing guitarist, and I really, really love "Aeronaut." even if you just count material written & recorded '88-00, that's nearly 200 songs, and I can't think of many SP1 bonafide duds.
i haven't seen the interview but i'm sure it's indefensible & stupid
― flappy bird, Monday, 9 October 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
Is Billy Corngasm actually going by 'Bill' these days or is that all you, flappy?
― the scarest move i ever seen is scary move 4 (Old Lunch), Monday, 9 October 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
he's going by william patrick corgan
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 9 October 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
no i just think it's funny to call him Bill. and yeah he's going by his full name or just WPC for this record
― flappy bird, Monday, 9 October 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link
i'd like to upgrade my opinion from "not embarrassing" to "my favorite thing dude's put out since machina 2"
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 16 October 2017 02:57 (six years ago) link
yes!!!
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 03:01 (six years ago) link
He was on Howard today. Great interview, less rushed than 2014 and as good as 2012. Clearly happier & more relaxed now. Still somewhat cranky but fatherhood has really sanded the edges down. No crazy talk. He performed 1979, Aeronaut, and Neil Young's After the Gold Rush on acoustic guitar. Some interesting bits:
-Reiterated how grateful he is to James, D'arcy, and Jimmy for supporting him 100% from the very beginning - from his singing voice, to his songs, to his "zig-zag" stylistic turns in the early pre-Gish years and beyond. He's on good terms with all 3 now.-He was recently apologizing to D'arcy for being an asshole in the band and she cut him off and said, "Billy. You wrote so many great songs, we never would've done that without you being that way. We were lazy, we were misguided. You had to be that way." Said it was a profoundly healing moment.-Chris Fabian tried to gain ownership of Billy's catalogue of songs when they were getting a divorce.-Said "Now (And Then)" is an incredibly dark & angry song about his parents & he has a hard time singing it.-Not on good terms with his father right now, didn't come to visit his son.-Says his mom's ghost stole 8 days of work on his book and his girlfriend saw the ghost leave through the kitchen with the pages, her head down.
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
-Said "Now (And Then)" is an incredibly dark & angry song about his parents & he has a hard time singing it.
i never knew this but it's certainly one of the best songs he's ever written
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 16 October 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
agreed. especially when he performs it acoustically. there's a great performance from Steve Jones' radio show in 2005, and he's been doing it on the current tour. Really excited for the show on Wednesday - at the two shows he did in Brooklyn, he didn't repeat a single song in the second set. First set is the new album + "If I Were a Carpenter" by Tim Hardin.
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
Also, as far as his voice is concerned... I don't think he was lying when he said he could "slip into the old Pumpkins voice" whenever he wanted. This video gave me chills. Sounds like a mid-90's performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjWD05OTZug
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link
he also said that he's met a reptilian and hinted at anderson cooper being a globalist illuminati guy
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link
anderson cooper's hit piece on Billy's charity mag cover with his cats was inexplicable & bizarre though. the way he described it was exactly as it went down. I don't blame him for making those "FUCK YOU ANDERSON COOPER" t-shirts in 2014. as for the "shapeshifter" (his words), my man was talking about his mom's ghost stealing pages of his memoir and psychics seeing dead friends earlier in the interview. he's always been drawn to that stuff & super paranoid- I think in the Kim Thayil "the core, the heart music" thread, there's a link to a post from someone who worked with him circa 2009, when Billy bought a bunch of gold bricks because he was convinced the dollar was about to collapse.
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:50 (six years ago) link
it wasnt that bizarre. he has a silly segment on his show for lol fun stuff and that pic was a meme before anderson ever put it on his show.
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:57 (six years ago) link
No crazy talk.Says his mom's ghost stole 8 days of work on his book and his girlfriend saw the ghost leave through the kitchen with the pages, her head down.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 00:00 (six years ago) link
yeah that's just a cool story
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 00:01 (six years ago) link