Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

he's already been places

Yeah, he was only cranky wrt folks ignoring his clearly-posted instructions.

he was also cranky when chester desmond comes back in the evening though. he didn't have a sign about after 9pm

Carl's good to go so long as he has enough Good Morning America

imo the perception that fwwm's mysteries are being explained away just comes from the incongruity of seeing elements like Jeffries, Judy, the ring and the blue rose placed within a more Frostian narrative mode. I think in the end a lot of this stuff will remain pretty inscrutable tho, and we'll get very concrete answers to some old mysteries but in a way that only raises more questions - which is what fwwm itself did.

Given frost's lack of input into the film it is interesting how much they're leaning on things introduced in that film like electricity & all the blue rose stuff & the fat trout, while stuff from the series like the owls & the bookhouse boys recede into the background or are ignored altogether.

I was just thinking this evening that this series could use more Frost. Kinda bathetic that the Man from Another Place's eerie "Eeellhuctriccitty" just referred to exactly that, too. Oh well.

All the dialogue in that scene is incredibly literal!

Wins otm about FWWM

I know! I preferred not knowing :(

Has there been any speculation on why the appearance of the convenience store and the Woodsmen differs so much between FWWM and The Return? Or is it safe to assume that it's just an instance of Lynch deciding 'I want things to look like this now'?

I know! I preferred not knowing :(

― albvivertine, Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:01 AM (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

do you really know that much more

But I mean the electricity motif was firmly established in the film itself, with the character of the electrician and the many shots of power lines accompanied by the whoop of the little man/arm. "Electricity!" is one of the least enigmatic lines of dialogue ever uttered in the lodge pretty much from the off.

Has there been any speculation on why the appearance of the convenience store and the Woodsmen differs so much between FWWM and The Return? Or is it safe to assume that it's just an instance of Lynch deciding 'I want things to look like this now'?

― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:32 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i'm guessing he wanted them to have a more sinister aspect. before the new season i thought the woodsmen in fwwm were fbi agents trying to blend into the lodge

They used to simply employ glaringly-fake beards, but they're now utilizing state-of-the-art techniques to transform themselves into kitchen appliances.

But I mean the electricity motif was firmly established in the film itself

Not just in the film but throughout Lynch's work.

Yeah I guess I mean it's given an overt plot significance in fwwm that wasn't there before

Rewatching the second half of this episode I got choked up all over again at the log lady scenes, and also at the final roadhouse scene which is amazingly cathartic. One thing I really appreciate about the scene in the conference room is the way it's lit so that you can clearly see the tears streaming down Lucy's face but the faces of Andy and Bobby, two of the characters most associated with spontaneous weeping, are almost completely hidden in darkness. It's a nice acknowledgement that the usual twin peaks approach to displays of grief, much as we all love it, is not appropriate here (goaz's mugging particularly would detract from the gravity and quiet dignity of the scene)

Andy reminds me so much of a silent film comedian

not convinced the woodsmen became a significant image and theme for TP until the return started and lynch decided to revisit the look of that dude.

i've really been thinking a lot about jeffrie's monologue though from FWWM lately. one line I forgot isn't even in the original film was "they sat silently for hours" after "and then there they were"; I guess that's only on the unedited missing pieces scene, but it seems very important now.

I'd assume it's something along the lines of: you sense only what the presences in the Black Lodge allow you to sense.

not convinced the woodsmen became a significant image and theme for TP until the return started and lynch decided to revisit the look of that dude.

― akm, Thursday, August 24, 2017 2:13 PM (twenty-six minutes ago)

The woodsmen got a makeover courtesy of the Mulholland Drive monster.

Lynch's next show about extreme makeovers

Re: FWWM, I'm thinking about it through a deep fog of memory and will probably leave it there, like a barely-remembered dream. Loved it so much when I saw it.

I don't think Lynch had anything planned back in 1992 that's been continued into The Return. he said in 2001 that Twin Peaks was "dead as a doornail" and as recently as 2013 wasn't interested in revisiting that world. I think there's just a lot of latent imagery and symbolism in all of his movies that can be drawn upon again and expanded upon - that applies to the abundant references to his filmography throughout the new series.

I saw a 00s interview with him in which he said he would like to do Twin Peaks again. I think it was after Inland Empire.

did he ever follow up on it

yeah him and badalamenti are doing a collab with beats by dre

Andy reminds me so much of a silent film comedian

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 24 August 2017 17:15 (yesterday) Permalink

https://nenaghsilentfilmfestival.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/stan_laurel___sons_of_the_desert.jpg

Pretty sure lynch & frost were writing the return in 2013 so any declared lack of interest in revisiting it from around then would be bullshit

I mean, he made it but maybe he's just not that into it.

Now I want to see the alternate universe version of The Return as made by an unengaged Lynch who's only in it for the $$$.

Pretty sure lynch & frost were writing the return in 2013 so any declared lack of interest in revisiting it from around then would be bullshit

I saw an interview w/ Lynch where he said he hadn't been thinking about Twin Peaks and was hesitant about revisiting it before he met with Mark Frost, whenever that was (I thought 2014).

The announcement of the new season was in 2014, according to frost it took them two years to write the script before taking it to showtime

Just hard to imagine episode 8 as something he came up with during a productive writing session. That mythology felt like something he'd been chewing on for a long time

The announcement of the new season was in 2014, according to frost it took them two years to write the script before taking it to showtime

― streeps of range (wins), Friday, August 25, 2017 12:21 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I understand that. Lynch said before they met - whenever it was - he wasn't actively thinking about doing it.

10 seconds in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGo3ZUQ6h_8

According to WTTP, it was sometime in May of 2013 when Frost and Lynch publicly flipped from "Twin Peaks is never coming back" to "Twin Peaks may come back".

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/david-lynch-no-twin-peaks/
http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/david-lynch-revisit-twin-peaks/

I remember there were rumors in 2013, even on this board:
Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?
(pretty fun re-read tbqh!)

This is from late 2012 where it's pretty vague but that everyone involved had been kicking some rocks around:
http://moviehole.net/201260784will-2013-be-the-year-tv-classic-twin-peaks-is-revived

Two years before 2014 is 2012, checks out

so I was running karaoke at this dive tonight and for the last background music song before I shut down I played "I've been loving you too long" just kinda for me and the terrible off the clock cocktail waitress yelled at me "this is horrible! Play some real music!" so uh idk about humans I guess

https://mattystanfield.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/a0bfe466216b69402129c5f052aa6336.jpg

ok i know naido is named naido and not judy but it just hit me that she makes monkey noises and that monkey shot in fwwm.... maybe something i duno

apparently episode 16 is up on sky in the UK.

allegedly it is the greatest thing ever but who knows

where you see that? I saw something saying it'd be up 2am monday, and simulcast for the finale next weekend

I've seen it. It's 50 minutes of the French woman putting on shoes while Gordon Cole watches followed by eddie vedder doing a cover of wicked game.

a few different twin peaks groups on FB.

aparently it's on Now TV too, whatever that is.

and full spoilers are on reddit if anyone wants to go looking for them. torrent doesn't appear to have leaked surprisingly.

omg jed

Can confirm, just watched on Sky

lmao Sky are so incompetent. I caved, watching now