I am worried about where the real Diane is
― Οὖτις, Monday, 28 August 2017 15:08 (six years ago) link
in the sheriff's station
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
j/k
tbf it was lynch that introduced the term doppelgänger, which is a commoner term for sure but still a pretty specific pull from folklore
I don't mind the tulpa stuff (good thing too, cause although I knew the word before I feel like I've used it about a hundred times in the last week and not once previous to that), because I tend to find the tension between lynch mode & frost mode fruitful. The fact that this dialogue is coming from Chrysta Bell rather than an actor closer to the agent Preston from the book is pleasingly off
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
I do still wonder about the nature of Coop's children. Like, was Richard, as the offspring of a doppelganger, a legitimate human being? Is Sonny Jim? And if not, what does that portend?
― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:10 (six years ago) link
why would diane have radically shifted how she appears if that's the case? I mean I get that that seems like the likely answer now, but it doesn't really make any sense that diane would turn into an eyeless asian woman.
― akm, Monday, 28 August 2017 15:11 (six years ago) link
It sort of makes you feel like maybe manufactured people like Dougie and new-Diane are ALWAYS a little glitchy. Like, maybe Janey-E and Sonny Jim were used to Dougie suddenly changing personality for a few months if he walked too close to a power line..
They certainly both had substance abuse problems, which suggests that the existence of a manufactured person isn't the best :-(
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:12 (six years ago) link
to those that say this is lynch's last work - wrong
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:17 (six years ago) link
The tulpas seem to have some bad personal habits--what's to stop Dougie part 2 from whorin' and gambling again? Coop seemed pretty blasé about this possibility. ha xp
I haven't seen it since I was a kid but the whole Coop appears and turns the Jones' lives around story reminds me of Quantum Leap.
― sciatica, Monday, 28 August 2017 15:17 (six years ago) link
haha otm
― Οὖτις, Monday, 28 August 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link
Whatever the state of Sonny Jim's being he's definitely a few years too old for that gym set.
― sciatica, Monday, 28 August 2017 15:21 (six years ago) link
Coop saying "I've enjoyed so much spending time with you" and the looks on Janey-E and Sonny Jim's faces was both poignant and hilarious.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:23 (six years ago) link
This tulpa stuff is so interesting in the context of Lynch's trademark identity crises in a way that simple good coop v bad coop isn't. The dissolution of Diane's selfhood after she recounts her trauma is as intense as parts of fwwm and inland empire
Even with Dougie, the notion that the Joneses are gonna get "a new one" has some weird implications - presumably he'll have OG Dougie's memories but it's still not Dougie, right? It'll be Janey-E's second replacement husband. Sonny jim echoing donna's "you're my daddy, you're my daddy" and coop saying "that's right, I'm your dad" - he's both lying & not I guess
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:24 (six years ago) link
I seem to be in the minority itt inasmuch as I didn't come to the conclusion that Cooper was asking MIKE to make another Dougie. The haste with which he made the request seemed to indicate that it was part of his plan to take down his doppelganger. I got the very strong impression that Cooper fully intends to return to his life of domestic bliss once his affairs are in order.
― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:24 (six years ago) link
Hmm, doesn't he say something like "Dougie-- I mean I will be back"
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:26 (six years ago) link
I know there are people who really don't like it but I'm so gonna miss vegas and I'm so glad that coop's taking at least some of it with him & that the mitchams will be there in twin peaks continuing to call him "Dougie"
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:28 (six years ago) link
FINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLY
― FINALLY (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, August 27, 2017 10:20 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― extremely amy dunne voice (slothroprhymes), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:31 (six years ago) link
How Coop addresses the Janey-E/Sonny Jim situation is a good, poignant illustration of the limits of his compassion.
Old Lunch that is... exactly the opposite of how I read those scenes. Coop's not coming back to the Jones', no way.
― sciatica, Monday, 28 August 2017 15:31 (six years ago) link
Starting to think this show is going to end with Cooper deciding whether he wants to return to his old life or keep Dougie's
― Evan R, Thursday, July 13, 2017 3:09 PM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Seemed like this turned out not even to be a decision for him—he just has a wife and kid now.
Making Coop completely aware of everything that's been going on, despite Dougie's apparent aloofness, was really a masterstroke. Saves so much time, gives the story so much momentum in the final stretch. Loved how as soon as he comes to he asks Bushnell, by name, to hand him one of those sandwiches, because he's famished.
― Evan R, Monday, 28 August 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link
― akm, Monday, August 28, 2017 11:11 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a fair quibble all things being equal, but last week we discovered the spirit of phillip jeffries had somehow become stored not only within the Convenience Store, but also in an apparatus that looked part teapot, part throbbing gristle found-sound instrument circa 1978, so lynch is def willing to completely reshape characters
(i know the jeffries thing was at least in part by necessity but wonder if he might not have done that teapot thing anyway)
― extremely amy dunne voice (slothroprhymes), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:37 (six years ago) link
Dougie was created by bad cool. Dougie 2.0 will be created by/from proper coop, so maybe he'll be a decent husband and father,
― dan selzer, Monday, 28 August 2017 15:39 (six years ago) link
― sciatica, Monday, August 28, 2017 10:31 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I do think there's a possibility that he won't be coming back because he somehow knows that he can't come back, that ending his doppelganger's reign of terror will involve either his own death or a permanent return to the Lodge.
― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:41 (six years ago) link
he just has a wife and kid now.
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― sciatica, Monday, 28 August 2017 15:41 (six years ago) link
yeah I'm with you. I don't think he'd make the request for a replacement Dougie with such urgency. Also the family is the biggest part of Cooper's arc this season. They're the reward/compensation for the 25 years of life he sacrificed
― Evan R, Monday, 28 August 2017 15:43 (six years ago) link
They're the reward/compensation for the 25 years of life he sacrificed
This is....a strange an unsettling concept
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:46 (six years ago) link
lol seriously
― sciatica, Monday, 28 August 2017 15:46 (six years ago) link
I just think he feels a sense of responsibility to repair the chaos his doppelganger has wreaked in the world, which includes indirectly creating this now-fatherless family.
― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:52 (six years ago) link
"I'm looking for a place. Do you understand a place?" is one of those classic lynch lines, like "There's sometimes a buggy" or MIKE's whole original bit about living above the convenience store
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
ahh yeah. Diane tulpa also presumably created by Mr. C
― sciatica, Monday, 28 August 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
xxp lol my wording was sloppy there. I'm don't mean that in a transactional way, just in a narrative sense. After 25 years of absence and sorrow the guy deserves a happy ending, and the family would seem to offer him that fulfillment.
Even if he doesn't actually end up the family in the end, and swaps in a new Dougie as the thread seems to expect, just that taste of life as a family man was clearly pretty satisfying for him. He got to experience something the lodge took away from him.
― Evan R, Monday, 28 August 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
It'll be created by Gerard from og coop but yeah - if they "fix" his "personality defects" that still has creepy implications tho no? xp
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link
upon the suggestion that Naido is actually Diane, I rewatched her monologue a few times and she appears to say "I'm in the sheriff's station. I'm in the sheriff's station. Am I in the sheriff's station? I'm not me. I'm not me" - idk, I'm fine to not speculate further...
― Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link
hearts of gold https://68.media.tumblr.com/4eb31f7ce1b2a8c11f9cefb6e3ff9a89/tumblr_otg1mag2SV1r67teso5_250.gif
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:57 (six years ago) link
yeah I experienced some cognitive dissonance w/ that line lol
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 28 August 2017 15:58 (six years ago) link
I can roll with it though!
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 16:04 (six years ago) link
I chose to take that moment as a reminder that Cooper is still a bifurcated person. His darkness still exists as a separate entity so maybe he'll tend to be a little pie in the sky until/unless his two halves are reintegrated.
― Always Be Cropdusting (Old Lunch), Monday, 28 August 2017 16:05 (six years ago) link
Hey Bobby killed a guy and did all sorts of nefarious things and everyone loves him now.
― Chris L, Monday, 28 August 2017 16:08 (six years ago) link
Ben nearly raped his daughter
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 16:09 (six years ago) link
I like that the show never sweats the details of how Bobby redeemed himself, we're just reminded at every turn that he's good now
― Evan R, Monday, 28 August 2017 16:13 (six years ago) link
Fave, freighted line from this ep--Diane saying, "It had only happened once before..."
― sciatica, Monday, 28 August 2017 16:13 (six years ago) link
I think my favourite line might be "gassin' up the jet!"
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 16:16 (six years ago) link
I thought Diane was saying "I'm a sherrif's station", not "I'm in a sherrif's station"
― akm, Monday, 28 August 2017 16:17 (six years ago) link
Followed up by "wonder what dougie's up to now?" Knepper and belushi are really nailing the ben & jer vibe xp to me
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 28 August 2017 16:17 (six years ago) link
― Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Monday, August 28, 2017 10:55 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Diane is Chad
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 16:17 (six years ago) link
My favorite line was "These are what you call finger sandwiches"
― akm, Monday, 28 August 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
Haha yes, I hope they make the trek up to TP from Spokane, not ready to let them go yet
Candie had another scene-stealer too
xp to wins
― sciatica, Monday, 28 August 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
I think Dougie was kind of a half-assed creation, with a half-ass fabricated past, that only existed because the doppleganger needed a patsy to hand off to the lodge when he was supposed to go back in.
The Diane doppleganger, on the other hand, was able to remember most of her life, even if she was a little glitchy. When she first receive the ":-) ALL" text, it seemed like confirmation she'd been brainwashed -- she immediately texts coordinates, fulfilling her task, but also says "oh, Coop" in this sad, wistful voice. I thought maybe that was her signal to remember everything that had happened, including her undercover snitching for doppleCoop and the fact he hurt her.
But as soon as her story explaining all the things she remembers went into "he took me to a gas station" territory, my thoughts went to, "oh fuck, that's not even Diane"
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
this theory that naido is the real Diane is sorta batshit (since she looks totally different, which afaict has not been the case with other doppelgangers/tulpa relationships) but makes sense on a bunch of levels
― Οὖτις, Monday, 28 August 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
xp I thought the conversation about law enforcement, ending with "Start right now, that's going to change!" was an indicator that Cooper is planning on going with them all the way
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 16:23 (six years ago) link
maybe Diane evolved while in the lodge, like the arm did