Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

How Coop addresses the Janey-E/Sonny Jim situation is a good, poignant illustration of the limits of his compassion.

Old Lunch that is... exactly the opposite of how I read those scenes. Coop's not coming back to the Jones', no way.

Starting to think this show is going to end with Cooper deciding whether he wants to return to his old life or keep Dougie's

― Evan R, Thursday, July 13, 2017 3:09 PM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Seemed like this turned out not even to be a decision for him—he just has a wife and kid now.

Making Coop completely aware of everything that's been going on, despite Dougie's apparent aloofness, was really a masterstroke. Saves so much time, gives the story so much momentum in the final stretch. Loved how as soon as he comes to he asks Bushnell, by name, to hand him one of those sandwiches, because he's famished.

why would diane have radically shifted how she appears if that's the case? I mean I get that that seems like the likely answer now, but it doesn't really make any sense that diane would turn into an eyeless asian woman.

― akm, Monday, August 28, 2017 11:11 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a fair quibble all things being equal, but last week we discovered the spirit of phillip jeffries had somehow become stored not only within the Convenience Store, but also in an apparatus that looked part teapot, part throbbing gristle found-sound instrument circa 1978, so lynch is def willing to completely reshape characters

(i know the jeffries thing was at least in part by necessity but wonder if he might not have done that teapot thing anyway)

Dougie was created by bad cool. Dougie 2.0 will be created by/from proper coop, so maybe he'll be a decent husband and father,

How Coop addresses the Janey-E/Sonny Jim situation is a good, poignant illustration of the limits of his compassion.

Old Lunch that is... exactly the opposite of how I read those scenes. Coop's not coming back to the Jones', no way.

― sciatica, Monday, August 28, 2017 10:31 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I do think there's a possibility that he won't be coming back because he somehow knows that he can't come back, that ending his doppelganger's reign of terror will involve either his own death or a permanent return to the Lodge.

he just has a wife and kid now.

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I seem to be in the minority itt inasmuch as I didn't come to the conclusion that Cooper was asking MIKE to make another Dougie. The haste with which he made the request seemed to indicate that it was part of his plan to take down his doppelganger. I got the very strong impression that Cooper fully intends to return to his life of domestic bliss once his affairs are in order.

yeah I'm with you. I don't think he'd make the request for a replacement Dougie with such urgency. Also the family is the biggest part of Cooper's arc this season. They're the reward/compensation for the 25 years of life he sacrificed

They're the reward/compensation for the 25 years of life he sacrificed

This is....a strange an unsettling concept

lol seriously

I just think he feels a sense of responsibility to repair the chaos his doppelganger has wreaked in the world, which includes indirectly creating this now-fatherless family.

"I'm looking for a place. Do you understand a place?" is one of those classic lynch lines, like "There's sometimes a buggy" or MIKE's whole original bit about living above the convenience store

Dougie was created by bad cool. Dougie 2.0 will be created by/from proper coop, so maybe he'll be a decent husband and father,

ahh yeah. Diane tulpa also presumably created by Mr. C

xxp lol my wording was sloppy there. I'm don't mean that in a transactional way, just in a narrative sense. After 25 years of absence and sorrow the guy deserves a happy ending, and the family would seem to offer him that fulfillment.

Even if he doesn't actually end up the family in the end, and swaps in a new Dougie as the thread seems to expect, just that taste of life as a family man was clearly pretty satisfying for him. He got to experience something the lodge took away from him.

It'll be created by Gerard from og coop but yeah - if they "fix" his "personality defects" that still has creepy implications tho no? xp

upon the suggestion that Naido is actually Diane, I rewatched her monologue a few times and she appears to say "I'm in the sheriff's station. I'm in the sheriff's station. Am I in the sheriff's station? I'm not me. I'm not me" - idk, I'm fine to not speculate further...

hearts of gold
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yeah I experienced some cognitive dissonance w/ that line lol

I can roll with it though!

I chose to take that moment as a reminder that Cooper is still a bifurcated person. His darkness still exists as a separate entity so maybe he'll tend to be a little pie in the sky until/unless his two halves are reintegrated.

Hey Bobby killed a guy and did all sorts of nefarious things and everyone loves him now.

Ben nearly raped his daughter

I like that the show never sweats the details of how Bobby redeemed himself, we're just reminded at every turn that he's good now

Fave, freighted line from this ep--Diane saying, "It had only happened once before..."

I think my favourite line might be "gassin' up the jet!"

I thought Diane was saying "I'm a sherrif's station", not "I'm in a sherrif's station"

Followed up by "wonder what dougie's up to now?" Knepper and belushi are really nailing the ben & jer vibe xp to me

upon the suggestion that Naido is actually Diane, I rewatched her monologue a few times and she appears to say "I'm in the sheriff's station. I'm in the sheriff's station. Am I in the sheriff's station? I'm not me. I'm not me" - idk, I'm fine to not speculate further...

― Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Monday, August 28, 2017 10:55 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Diane is Chad

My favorite line was "These are what you call finger sandwiches"

Haha yes, I hope they make the trek up to TP from Spokane, not ready to let them go yet

Candie had another scene-stealer too

xp to wins

I think Dougie was kind of a half-assed creation, with a half-ass fabricated past, that only existed because the doppleganger needed a patsy to hand off to the lodge when he was supposed to go back in.

The Diane doppleganger, on the other hand, was able to remember most of her life, even if she was a little glitchy. When she first receive the ":-) ALL" text, it seemed like confirmation she'd been brainwashed -- she immediately texts coordinates, fulfilling her task, but also says "oh, Coop" in this sad, wistful voice. I thought maybe that was her signal to remember everything that had happened, including her undercover snitching for doppleCoop and the fact he hurt her.

But as soon as her story explaining all the things she remembers went into "he took me to a gas station" territory, my thoughts went to, "oh fuck, that's not even Diane"

this theory that naido is the real Diane is sorta batshit (since she looks totally different, which afaict has not been the case with other doppelgangers/tulpa relationships) but makes sense on a bunch of levels

xp I thought the conversation about law enforcement, ending with "Start right now, that's going to change!" was an indicator that Cooper is planning on going with them all the way

maybe Diane evolved while in the lodge, like the arm did

The Diane post-mortem special effects were pretty... interesting. 25 year old technology?

seeing that Diane bubble made me think of the puzzle game bust a move

Were they that different from the Dougie fx? I loved them

Guys, guys, best line of the episode was clearly Belushi's '(snaps) Side effects!'

badalemti music ruled

*badalmenti

xxp lol my wording was sloppy there. I'm don't mean that in a transactional way, just in a narrative sense. After 25 years of absence and sorrow the guy deserves a happy ending, and the family would seem to offer him that fulfillment.

This is still closer to "Quantum Leap finale" as narrative logic than it is to Frost/Lynch or what we know of Cooper's character. Conventional wisdom ("families make men happy") that gets weird the more you look at it. Cooper is compassionate and unfailingly polite but he's also defined, literally, by his job, and is a bit remote and self-centered as a result. He's going to take decisive action to correct a wrong introduced by his doppelgänger but he's not going to spend the rest of his life in that role.

btw i thought vedder's extremely controversial song was ok

Actually didn't hate it, fedora and all

I liked Vedder's song though the octopus punching line was a bit weird (esp since so much of the rest was actually perfectly apropos)

Yeah, it was fine, I just wish someone had told him to maybe avoid using TP character names in his song. But maybe the mentions of Diane actually mean something inasmuch as the Vedder performance seems to have taken place entirely in Audrey's mind (or whatever winds up being the case there).

i want the name of the one person responsible for the white dude in the old man hat voice

Was that the first song to be performed live, not mimed? It seemed like it.

I'm extremely skeptical of Jim Belushi but he really has been nailing it

no some others were live I believe xp

lol I assume old lunch is joking but I also kept hearing it as "Diane, who I am"

Coop also didn't see those guys punch Gelman. Every interaction he's had with them they've been super nice and friendly (excepting that when he met them they were about to murder him if not for Belushi's dream...)