Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

upon the suggestion that Naido is actually Diane, I rewatched her monologue a few times and she appears to say "I'm in the sheriff's station. I'm in the sheriff's station. Am I in the sheriff's station? I'm not me. I'm not me" - idk, I'm fine to not speculate further...

― Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Monday, August 28, 2017 10:55 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Diane is Chad

My favorite line was "These are what you call finger sandwiches"

Haha yes, I hope they make the trek up to TP from Spokane, not ready to let them go yet

Candie had another scene-stealer too

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I think Dougie was kind of a half-assed creation, with a half-ass fabricated past, that only existed because the doppleganger needed a patsy to hand off to the lodge when he was supposed to go back in.

The Diane doppleganger, on the other hand, was able to remember most of her life, even if she was a little glitchy. When she first receive the ":-) ALL" text, it seemed like confirmation she'd been brainwashed -- she immediately texts coordinates, fulfilling her task, but also says "oh, Coop" in this sad, wistful voice. I thought maybe that was her signal to remember everything that had happened, including her undercover snitching for doppleCoop and the fact he hurt her.

But as soon as her story explaining all the things she remembers went into "he took me to a gas station" territory, my thoughts went to, "oh fuck, that's not even Diane"

this theory that naido is the real Diane is sorta batshit (since she looks totally different, which afaict has not been the case with other doppelgangers/tulpa relationships) but makes sense on a bunch of levels

xp I thought the conversation about law enforcement, ending with "Start right now, that's going to change!" was an indicator that Cooper is planning on going with them all the way

maybe Diane evolved while in the lodge, like the arm did

The Diane post-mortem special effects were pretty... interesting. 25 year old technology?

seeing that Diane bubble made me think of the puzzle game bust a move

Were they that different from the Dougie fx? I loved them

Guys, guys, best line of the episode was clearly Belushi's '(snaps) Side effects!'

badalemti music ruled

*badalmenti

xxp lol my wording was sloppy there. I'm don't mean that in a transactional way, just in a narrative sense. After 25 years of absence and sorrow the guy deserves a happy ending, and the family would seem to offer him that fulfillment.

This is still closer to "Quantum Leap finale" as narrative logic than it is to Frost/Lynch or what we know of Cooper's character. Conventional wisdom ("families make men happy") that gets weird the more you look at it. Cooper is compassionate and unfailingly polite but he's also defined, literally, by his job, and is a bit remote and self-centered as a result. He's going to take decisive action to correct a wrong introduced by his doppelgänger but he's not going to spend the rest of his life in that role.

btw i thought vedder's extremely controversial song was ok

Actually didn't hate it, fedora and all

I liked Vedder's song though the octopus punching line was a bit weird (esp since so much of the rest was actually perfectly apropos)

Yeah, it was fine, I just wish someone had told him to maybe avoid using TP character names in his song. But maybe the mentions of Diane actually mean something inasmuch as the Vedder performance seems to have taken place entirely in Audrey's mind (or whatever winds up being the case there).

i want the name of the one person responsible for the white dude in the old man hat voice

Was that the first song to be performed live, not mimed? It seemed like it.

I'm extremely skeptical of Jim Belushi but he really has been nailing it

no some others were live I believe xp

lol I assume old lunch is joking but I also kept hearing it as "Diane, who I am"

Coop also didn't see those guys punch Gelman. Every interaction he's had with them they've been super nice and friendly (excepting that when he met them they were about to murder him if not for Belushi's dream...)

he's also defined, literally, by his job

This is why I like the "I am the FBI" line - I've always thought it was hilarious how the interdimensional entities address him as "agent Cooper", even 25 years after he left that career. By any logical metric he isnt FBI, but in the world of twin peaks where the FBI is a kind of chivalric order, he 100% is.

he's taken a long, involuntary leave of absence

shit, Don Murray is in this

and he's fucking outstanding

otm he's a delight

Lol, yeah Cooper's confident insistence about being FBI was kinda hilarious. I tried to imagine just showing up one day at a job I'd abruptly quit decades ago and getting to work as if no time had passed.

find yourself someone who looks at you the way janey-e and sonny jim look at dougie driving a car

http://imgur.com/a/t5UJN

maybe Diane evolved while in the lodge, like the arm did

― mh, Monday, August 28, 2017 12:23 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seems reasonable, especially since naido was in an entirely different part of the Black Lodge, the Purple Room - maybe got thrown down there by the arm's doppelganger the same way coop did

xp g d broken image

http://i.imgur.com/E5jMgo3.jpg

I always kind of want to brush Janey-E's hair.

Conventional wisdom ("families make men happy") that gets weird the more you look at it. Cooper is compassionate and unfailingly polite but he's also defined, literally, by his job, and is a bit remote and self-centered as a result.

His job is his identity for sure, but he's also a huge romantic who wound up in the situation he's in to save the woman he loved (not that Annie plays much of a role in this series). His defining trait, aside from his sense of duty, is his love of life in its totality, though, so it makes sense to me that the company of a really strong woman and an upstanding son he can toss a baseball with would play a part in his happy ending.

There were so many places/situations they could have plopped a sidelined Cooper for 12 episodes, but I think this is the one that most emphasized the life he never got to live. The idea that Dougie, a literal non-entity, got to enjoy a fuller, more satisfying life than Coop did just seems so deeply sad to me.

That whole car ride was amazing, Watts has just been incredible every week. Think about Janey-E's "We drive terrible cars!!" exclamation so often

The Mitchum Bros. and the girls going to Twin Peaks has sold me on the Candie/Laura Palmer theories. Found the Hearts of Gold bit pretty funny given that if it wasn't for Lodge Pie and a heap of money they would have murdered him.

Once this ends I imagine I'm gonna watch this endlessly forever, a criterion release would be appreciated.

I will boldly predict that candie is not Laura palmer

McLachlan was totally doing the movey-hand driving-acting thing.

Loved the episode but the Diane resolution robbed The Return of its least lazily created female character by handing over her agency to Mr C. The finale could right this and accentuate Laura and Audrey of course.

The Janey-E scenes post-Dale return were maddening too. Her passivity to finding out it wasn't Dougie & her adoration of his assuredness & impressive driving were a bit nauseating together for me. The power of the awakening moment steamrolling the personalities of the dependent characters. One minute i found myself punching the air, not long after i was eyerolling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9U1v6oeMpQ

Last night, my feeling was that Real Coop wants another doppelganger made to use as a decoy with Bad Coop, and that Real Coop will end the series back with Janey-E and Sonny Jim, but I'm not as convinced this morning. I keep (involuntarily) flashing on the end of Cast Away, where Hanks literally stands at a "do you see?!" crossroads with any future open to him.

Once this ends I imagine I'm gonna watch this endlessly forever, a criterion release would be appreciated. This would be an amazing coup. I wonder how home-video rights go with premium-cable shows. For Game of Thrones DVDs, studio is listed as HBO, but Ray Donovan (to pick a Showtime example) DVD studio is listed as Paramount.

McLachlan was totally doing the movey-hand driving-acting thing.

― Cake hawn. (jed_), Monday, August 28, 2017 10:16 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha i noticed this

wtf no, Cooper has been completely gone and has "enjoyed his time with" Janey-E and Sonny Jim, he's out. It wasn't "do you still have a seed" it was "do you still have _the seed_" even though we now know multiple seeds existed.

He's having a Dougie built to send back to Janey and Jim

Guys. When Diane texts... There's two sets of #TwinPeaks on her phone. First set: pic.twitter.com/NeGxPibE1t

— --------- (@fatecolossal) August 28, 2017

This is one of the stupidest things

bwahahaha

holy shit, my phone too! dopplemh confirmed

I'm sure there are stupid-ass theories about why the hell the evil dopplegangers signal to the Diane doppleganger looked like a smiley, too

I like to think it was an echo of the part in her story where, after he kissed her and she was afraid because it wasn't the real Coop, "he smiled... and his face..."

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^-- the dopplegangers creepy grinning rictus

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