Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Re Cooper "settling down" in TP-- the earliest instance of this desire is in the season 1 ep where he makes a note to Diane to look into TP real estate, which he expects to get at "a reasonable price." I always found something a little sinister in how MacLachlan deslivers that line--almost the reverse of the potential Ghostwood investors, like he's looking forward to capitalizing on the town's tragedy. Having that rough edge sanded off the character later on is one of the many small ways S2 went wrong.

― sciatica, Monday, August 28, 2017 2:19 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh whoa, I didn't get that sense at all. I thought that message to Diane about buying property in Twin Peaks was completely sincere. Cooper was traumatized by Caroline's death and was eager to start a new life. I took that all at face value.

Cooper references several things as "reasonably priced" in the original series iirc (the Great Northern, the pie at the RR?)

same xp

Definitely leaving open the possibility that the final scene is him turning up back at the red door.

Yeah it's unlikely we'll get an ending this clean/happy, but if the show ends and the whole arc of Cooper's 25-year-in-the-making return is that he cracked a case and gives Gordon a thumbs up, it's gonna feel empty as hell

I kind can't envision any ending where Cooper gets out of this series alive tbh

I predict it won't be the red door thing or the case crack thumbs up thing, that is my prediction

Shakey those things all have sinister implications, the pie especially.

.... eh? xp

People as into their careers as Cooper is into his tend to be a bit self-absorbed. I interpret Cooper as trying to counter this tendency, not always successfully. Like how excited he is for his breakfast blinds him to how eager Harry and Lucy are to hear the result of his dream about who killled Laura Palmer. That's where I was going with that, just a blind spot, not evil.

Evan I'm not invested in those things, no, except as peripheral aspects of his character. He gets fulfillment from his job. He is the FBI.

These have been fun and genial threads and if I'm being a bit of a dick I'm sorry, obviously it's fine for people to watch the show for different reasons. I do think part of the decision to put him in Vegas is just how unlikely it was, for both character and setting, not something inherent in the character they're trying to bring out.

Shakey those things all have sinister implications, the pie especially.

lol ok

that's such a cold reading of Cooper. I sort of get it, but it's really sad.

yeah doesn't ring true to me either

One of his near-death wishes was to bang a woman he liked; his truest connection was with a dreamy wayward schoolgirl (actually his truest connection was with Laura but she was dead). He's a complex character, he has his cipher aspect but if that was all there was to him his fall at the end of s2 wouldn't matter

im a sucker for traumatized people finding happiness & love in a new life in a new place. Cooper being cheated out of that hit me hard. good point about Cooper being a sort of cipher for the entire series - but i still saw him as a real person and wanted him to be happy.

― flappy bird, Monday, August 28, 2017 6:21 PM (thirty minutes ago)

otm. id have no problem if he went back to them. i think its unlikely though.

just as long as he moves like a cobra one more time I'm all good with whatever happens to Coop

He's very straightforward, but never really comes off as rude or demanding. An aside like "a good price" just seems like an expectation.

In this week's episode, after he snaps back into things, he says something like "Bushnell, get my clothes, they're in the cabinet behind you"

that's not him being bossy or rude, even though it's not "could you please..." it's the well-tuned engine of an FBI man who knows what details are important and which are unimportant

like, if Diane sees Twin Peaks real estate at what seems an inflated price, then she's looking wrong

One of his near-death wishes was to bang a woman he liked

do you mean Annie? i don't think that was purely lustful at all, that was true love

one of my favorite little moments was when coop exited the hospital and executed two EXACTLY PERFECT 90 degree turns at top speed. did anyone else see that? they weren't magical or anything, they were just exactly the kind of turns special agent dale cooper would make.

haha yes

and Janey said he couldn't drive!

I've got an outsider theory that Dougie is Lynch's own vision of some type of fourth bardo ascended state TM shaman - solving crimes, removing people's pain, kicking it at the slots, defending himself - all with a minimum of words, effort, or even conventional reasoning. I love that it's indistinguishable from dementia. I'm willing to accept that might be proved wrong.

If it helps to put a more positive spin on things I agree with this Elvis Telecom post from upthread, I think this characterization of Dougie was always implicit in Cooper and for me that's what he is, a sort of bureaucratic bodhisattva, for whom desire is fraught and messy needs to be sublimated. I get the romantic tragedy angle but I don't have any faith given his temperament and history that if Coop does turn up at that red door things will be settled and happy.

/One of his near-death wishes was to bang a woman he liked/

do you mean Annie? i don't think that was purely lustful at all, that was true love

I would very much like to make love to a beautiful woman who I had genuine affection for.

lol in seclusion that line sounds like it came from an unrealized Achewood character

what's that, Coop? you want to hang with the dirtiest doggs in town? *takes Coop to strip club*

These have been fun and genial threads and if I'm being a bit of a dick I'm sorry, obviously it's fine for people to watch the show for different reasons. I do think part of the decision to put him in Vegas is just how unlikely it was, for both character and setting, not something inherent in the character they're trying to bring out.

No apology necessary; I'm loving this convo and am fascinated by your viewpoint, which despite how alien it seems to me you've made a strong case for. This has been much more fun to dissect than, like, numbers or the meaning of names or w/e

I would very much like to make love to a beautiful woman who I had genuine affection for.

― streeps of range (wins), Monday, August 28, 2017 3:05 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Obviously. "bang" just seems a little flippant

That's because it was, you get the picture tho

The classic "does Coop fuck?" debate is the same regardless of the crassness of the terms used

This guy fucks

*arms flap*

*thread locks*

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Did anybody else think Audrey in the Roadhouse was wearing a big ring that looked kind of like the ring that sends you to the Lodge if you die?

my first thought was "who let Diane Feinstein into the Roadhouse"

oh man that's mean

i will say that scene made me very slightly uncomforable so I'm glad it concluded the way it did as it seemed like the kind of thing that, if you'd let TP fans write this, they would have come up with on their own.

it's totally the haircut (if it isn't clear on my personal scale of people Audrey/Sherilyn Fenn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DiFi)

absolutely loved that scene, when her song cued up it really hit me. I especially liked that as her dance went on there were these glimpses of "young" Audrey in her mannerisms and moves and expressions, which hit a sentimental note that you can only really access when you've loved someone for a huge stretch of their life, where even though they are old and different now you can still see these little things that haven't changed, that completely evokes how they used to be.

so yes it was the kind of thing a TP fan might write I guess lol but it was so well done, and ending with the jump-cut was perfect

otm, such remarkable acting by Fenn during that dance. there's one shot where her face is suddenly 100% young Audrey. obv of a piece with MacLachlan's mastery of facial expressions and body language this season.

that last shot of her in the future white mystery mirror reminded me of the last shot of Vanilla Sky lol

yeah one thing I want to say is that everybody who said fenn forgot how to act was wrong wrong wrong

respect
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also is that a twin peaks tat on her inner arm

Laura Dern is the best btw.

"everybody who said fenn forgot how to act was wrong wrong wrong"
yeah not sure why anyone would argue that, her acting in those scenes was not appreciably worse than the acting she did in the original series, and very much in character really. she's proven in various other places she's capable as an actress (her short stint on gilmore girls, that show where she played a drunk on showtime or HBO years ago)

I'm in the.. I'm not me.. I *glitches out completely*

that was really the cruelest thing, the evil Cooper sending this trigger message to the Diane doppleganger that was pretty much a self-destruct code

so can anybody spell this out for me - Mr. C said he had three sets of coordinates, two of which matched the rock. The two that matched were clearly a trap designed to kill him, and the third is presumably the coordinates to Jack Rabbit's Palace. Where did these three sets originate from? There's the coordinates that Diane got off the body, and then the coordinates he got from Ray... where did the other set come from? I assume the two that matched originated with Jeffries (or the "fake" Jeffries, who clearly wants Mr. C dead at this point).

I assume Diane's coordinates were the correct ones

The other set were from Jeffries, I assume.