Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Last two episodes are all about Good Coop realizing that almost everyone in Twin Peaks is a tulpa and they're all destroyed by e.g. strange environmental factors related to Black & White Lodge events, Bad Coop going on a futile rampage, etc. etc.; show ends with a solemn Good Coop in Horne's now deserted Department Store cracking open a cold one with the only non-tulpa in town, a bewildered Dick Tremayne

I hope the climactic defeat of Evil Coop happens in the first hour and we get a long love-lettery wrapup. But I don't expect that.

― May contain peanuts, tree nuts, soy, wheat, pits or pit fragments. (WilliamC), Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:29 PM (forty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is interesting. Maybe the defeat won't happen at all. Maybe it'll be a 'cyclical' möbius ending like MD, or big open one.

I want a 2017 FWWM2 after this!

maybe Lynch will confuse us by following up Lost Highway

I was thinking earlier how many heads would explode if julee cruise sang mysteries of love in part 18

OG Dougie escapes from the Black Lodge, reunites with Janey-E, cries "Why are there people like BOB in the world????"

45 minutes of all the recalled tulpas (dougie, diane, that woman from Cole's first case) sittin around in the Red Room, irritating the shit out of each other No Exit style

wow i would love to see Diane fuck with OG Dougie

FUCK YOU DOUGIE

Speaking of that guy, in that first scene when the fireman says "it is in our house now", the way Cooper replies "...it is?" sounds exactly like Dougie. I don't think it is obv but it'd be hilarious if they did that

i keep cracking up in my head thinking of Chrysta Bell's wide eyed "wow, that's sure a real tupla goshdarnit" moment

speaking of the Fireman's opening convo - still have no idea how "Linda" figures into this

i think dougie was such a useless, corrupt slave to his desires (the gambling, drinking, etc.) because he was a copy of the doppelganger (copy of a copy almost) rather than a copy of cooper.

otm

he looked like shit too

RIP Dougie, he liked rides

akm
Posted: 29 August 2017 at 17:58:48
i keep cracking up in my head thinking of Chrysta Bell's wide eyed "wow, that's sure a real tupla goshdarnit" moment

I liked it too as a moment in isolation but it sits weirdly next to Diane's story - the scene was amazing but I'm still working out how I feel about the Feds ventilating her & weird response throughout

But then how could Janey-E love him so much ;_;

xp to wmlynch

btw the spinoff I currently want more than anything is an accountancy show with Zulaski and the farm accountant

"I'll move my car"

that whole shootout sequence was so perfectly ridiculous

People are under a lot of stress, Bradley

It was a great payoff to the extended screwball set-up of that scene. Lynch has a real feel for classic comic rhythm (see also the Candie fly-swatting scene).

dougie had to have been set up with janey-e by the doppelganger at some point. there's no record of his existence prior to 1997 (seven years or so after we see the doppelganger exit the lodge), and we're told he had a car accident just prior to him starting work at the insurance agency around 2004 (mullins says he's been with the firm for 12 years). coincidentally, i'd guess that sonny jim is around that age. did the doppelganger hook up with janey-e first (finding her after visiting diane) and then replace himself with dougie?
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ohhh yeah, i forgot about his lack of records pre-1997. feel like that gives credence to the Janey-E = OG Diane theory.

if janey-e is diane then why doesn't cooper recognize her?

Yeah and why don't the other Feds notice that she looks like Laura Dern and not like Naomi Watts as said above

hmm ok good point that clears that up

wondering if the "Dougie has only existed since 1997" has any connection to Lost Highway.

I'm not so sure. I mean, we're really inquisitive about Dougie's past and origins, but maybe we're just scrutinizing things more than Janey did. It's weird to me, but it's interesting how many people I've met where their knowledge of people close to them, even romantic partners, is really indistinct. As if anything before they met is just kind of this shorthand of "oh, I was working in another city and moved here, and my family's all gone" and they're not really into reminiscing.

Mad Men, anyone

yeah but the point is that knowing what we know of janey-e's character, why is she attached to dougie? it seems likely to me that she was caring for him as if he had become incapacitated in some way, not that she met him and fell in love with him the way he was.
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yeah there was the car accident

l o s t h i g h w a y

ok i'll bite why do people think janey-e is diane? because i have no idea where that's coming from

Good posts wmlynch.

As much as I love Janey-E, we shouldn't oversee the fact that she's incredibly naive (for lack of a better word), forgiving "Dougie" for everything, going "Oh Dougie, you silly" on some really messed up stuff. She's deliberately two dimensional, basically (though certainly not the only one in this show)

Diane claiming that Janey-E is her sister, Naomi Watts playing a double/doppelganger character in Mulholland Drive named Diane, Janey-E's inquisitive/knowing look when Coop is vaguely explaining his situation when they're driving to the casino. xp

ok i'll bite why do people think janey-e is diane? because i have no idea where that's coming from

because ppl like stupid rabbit-hole theories

Naomi Watts playing a double/doppelganger character in Mulholland Drive named Diane

this is def extra-textual/irrelevant

http://sensesofcinema.com/assets/uploads/2014/06/BlueBox.jpg

xp perhaps... but I think it's important that the first time we see Janey-E in The Return, she's dressed EXACTLY like Betty Elms when she arrives in Hollywood in Mulholland Drive. Exact same outfit, haircut, etc. I feel like Lynch is not into deploying that kind of fan service without any deeper/further meaning.

I still don't know what to make of the abundant references to his filmography throughout The Return. I have a hard time believing Lynch is doing a Tarantino and just referencing himself for the hell of it.

# of characters in twin peaks that are actually another character in twin peaks, as of the last 50 hours of twin peaks: 0

but it's probably true that Candie is Laura and Janey is Diane and Rodney is Heidi and

"Janey-E's inquisitive/knowing look when Coop is vaguely explaining his situation when they're driving to the casino"

no

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpthumb.lisimg.com%2Fimage%2F4782041%2F500full.jpg&f=1
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similar but no

there was def something about twin peaks/lost highway/mullholland existing in the same universe on lynch's old website back in the day.

# of characters in twin peaks that are actually another character in twin peaks, as of the last 50 hours of twin peaks: 0

^^^also this

Lynch revels in parallels and coincidences, but this literal "person A is actually person B!" is not a thing he does, at least not in Twin Peaks.

the characters are nothing alike, for one thing (xp)

ok that seems silly but we'll find out in a couple of weeks i guess

janey-e seems more than just a 2-dimensional naive character to me, she's also very protective of her family and doesn't seem that surprised when she finds out about the money dougie owes to the gangsters

just fyi as soon as the series ends i will make a separate thread where i pull out every single wrong out-there theory from these threads so we can mock them all in great detail

there was def something about twin peaks/lost highway/mullholland existing in the same universe on lynch's old website back in the day.

people do the same shit with Tarantino (and at least there there are some p explicit textual refs linking them) but imo these kinds of things are always bullshit and just directors having a bit of fun. Ppl who fixate on these kinds of minor details as significant or evidence of some larger hidden narrative have Tommy Westphall Universe Derangement Syndrome.

It's not necessarily "referencing himself" like there are curtains in lost highway because lynch likes curtains

Lynch revels in parallels and coincidences, but this literal "person A is actually person B!" is not a thing he does, at least not in Twin Peaks.

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 29, 2017 2:38 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're right, that makes sense. & but just one other thing - Janey-E looks like Betty but acts like Diane (Selwyn), if she had sobered up
ok thats it for me on this tip