Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

think there's some basic differences of approach here between those of us who interpret works by a single artist as often incorporating repeated motifs, tropes, and themes and others who interpret those works solely as a web of references to each other. the latter seems really weird and un-fun to me, as if everything is just a puzzle with an ultimate answer/form to be revealed, as opposed to just getting into why these particular aspects of an artists' style are so foregrounded, what emotional power do they have, etc.

xp

the "WOW-everything-is-a-reference-to-something-else!" school is how we end up with Ready Player One garbage

Wilson you son of a bitch

Shakey otm x 1000.

yeah i know, i hate that shit. that's why i'm perplexed that there are so many references throughout The Return. this goes beyond his usual motifs (doubling, identity crises, violent men, beautiful & abused women), but like you said Shakey, Lynch just likes parallels & coincidences. i don't think there's some Tarantino/Kevin Smith puzzle here, that's why the references or similarities stuck out to me. they seemed curiously specific, & i don't know what to make of them bc there's no way it's some fan service BS like a lot of people think.

Yep otm!

anyway we'll find out in 5 days (!!)

Re shakey

flappy, duder, those aren't references. They're motifs that Lynch has returned to regularly throughout his career. Laura Dern isn't simultaneously portraying every character she's ever appeared as in a Lynch film.

oh fuck i thought there being two episodes left meant that there would be one ep this week and then a double episode the next week. i didn't realize this weekend is the last of it :( :( :(

Flappy, you are confusing tools out of Lynch' tool box for references to past works. Every creative person has a palette of tastes and tropes and favourite ways of doing things.

I cannot for the life of me think Lynch - in TP The Return - would reference previous works like Lost Highway, as you said, or tie that film into the Twin Peaks universe. I'd be very disappointed in fact if it turns out he does. It doesn't make sense and takes away the magic of the TP universe, and instead makes it about its creator.

Beyond that, I'd be disappointed if he tied Lost Highway into The Return because Lost Highway is his worst film.

ya i agree - like i said, i don't think it's fan service and would be really disappointed if that were the case - perhaps has something to do with this being Lynch's first project in over a decade, & me rewatching all of his movies right before I started watching The Return.

how's annie

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:41 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Where's Donna

― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:47 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

WHAT HAPPENED TA JOSIEEE

― streeps of range (wins), Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:48 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's the longest and likely last film he will ever make, it's no surprise that it spends a little time in every mode he's previously employed and a few more

Can understand you though, seeing all these familiar things dangling in front of you and trying to make sense of it.

What I love about TP, and ilx's thread and participants specifically, is there is (almost) no mouthing off someone who has an out-there theory, or doesn't understand something.

Having said that, I pity some friends who said they'd wait for the dvd of this to "binge" it. They'll have nothing to hold onto wrt sharing clues, anticipation etc. Lynch was 100% correct in not dumping all of this netflix style, but going week by week.

yeah I have really enjoyed having this to watch on a weekly basis all summer, it's a cultural oasis

speaking of the Fireman's opening convo - still have no idea how "Linda" figures into this

this is actually what makes me think Richard might be seen again...

# of characters in twin peaks that are actually another character in twin peaks, as of the last 50 hours of twin peaks: 0

This isn't quite true though - the waiter turned out to be the Giant! And that Japanese dude turned out to be Catherine!

What I love about TP, and ilx's thread and participants specifically, is there is (almost) no mouthing off someone who has an out-there theory, or doesn't understand something.

yeah I have really enjoyed reading this thread (and the first one) before I had fully caught up. the quality of the discussion & insight itt & on ILX in general is so much greater than any other message board i've ever been on, and I'm reminded of that every time i go on fucking reddit (part of my job, unfortunately). glad i got caught up by the time Part 14 aired, but my god, I regret not being able to watch Part 8 the night it aired and participating in that discussion.

speaking of the Fireman's opening convo - still have no idea how "Linda" figures into this

this is actually what makes me think Richard might be seen again...

― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, August 29, 2017 2:22 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh boy do I ever hope Linda is just Richard in some shitty drag.

Dare I ask what job requires being on fucking reddit? (except working for reddit)

Promotion

I actually used to have a job that involved spending time on reddit as well lol

Is that a big thing nowadays? Promoting a business there? Good luck USA/rip flappy etc

I used to work in the cryptocurrency space and that's all I'm gonna say about that

i dont see all the hate people are getting from reddit. the tp subreddit seems like a bunch of enthusiastic fan boys and are pretty cheery.

the waiter turned out to be the Giant!

I don't think this is literally true. the "one and the same" comment I took to mean they were just both White Lodge spirits

And that Japanese dude turned out to be Catherine!

it's true that ingenious disguise fooled absolutely everyone

this might be apocryphal but apparently it did actually fool Jack Nance

Yeah according to Laurie he was like "that fumio guy is weird" on set

sad lol

I take "one and the same" literally fwiw

but the Giant had already appeared to Cooper as the Giant, why would he just appear in a different form for no apparent reason?

who knows?

I mean if they are separate lodge guys, what is the function of the first?

You need to shift your perspective from the anthropocentric to the dugpacentric, m'man. (toooooooke)

Waiter as Giant's tulpa maybe? The Waiter seems to actually exist in the real world, other people see him, he brings coffee, he shows up at the roadhouse etc., whereas the Giant only appears to Cooper in dreams/visions. idk

I love this show and I love this thread but I may need to check out just because I'm in denial about it ever being over.

I have to wait til Monday to watch the finale :(

Same dude, same

tuesday ;_;

I'll be watching the 1am GMT simulcast 😎

What I love about TP, and ilx's thread and participants specifically, is there is (almost) no mouthing off someone who has an out-there theory

i'm delighted that my reductio ad absurdum candie = laura 'theory' managed to catch on a bit

My workout routine is to dance intensely to fairly lengthy dance playlists two or three times a week, and my last handful of late Sunday afternoon dance playlists always involved some degree of preparation/vibe-setting for the evening's TP:TR part -- music from the series (old and new), songs we've heard at the Roadhouse, songs I'd wanna hear at the Roadhouse, music inspired by Twin Peaks, music reminding me of Twin Peaks, other Lynch-related stuff...
I'm so hyped up for Sunday that I have prepared an unprecedented cumulative 4 1/2 hour dance playlist, it's gonna be ridiculous and intense and many calories will be, to use a term employed earlier by wins, "Earle'd" and it will all be worth it I think. At least I hope I'll find the time for it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDy4f84DLog

there was so much traffic on the strip. it was incredible. there were cars... everywhere

I'm so hyped up for Sunday that I have prepared an unprecedented cumulative 4 1/2 hour dance playlist, it's gonna be ridiculous and intense and many calories will be, to use a term employed earlier by wins, "Earle'd" and it will all be worth it I think.

this is so awesome

That might be my favorite moment in the entire series. xpost

LA weirdo people should know that the man playing piano in that scene is COUNT SMOKULA!

This isn't quite true though - the waiter turned out to be the Giant! And that Japanese dude turned out to be Catherine!

Vivian Niles turned out to be MT Wentz

The man from another place turned out to be MIKE's arm

windom earle turned out to be poorly thought out.