Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

I had a similar reaction after reading her piece in the latest Baffler, essentially about the death of civility and manners in the discourse driven by Trump. Probably a 2,000 or 3,000 word piece that felt like bulletpoints, nothing I didn't already know or anything that wasn't already obvious. Reading her, you keep waiting for the deep dig, and it's just cliff notes. I don't get it.

In fairness I got the impression that she has that deep dive if required but yeah, where is it if so

oh yeah I don't think she's a charlatan or a grifter, & this piece wasn't even really the same territory as the book, but the experience reading it was the same. inexplicably skating on the surface

makes u think

Hmm... People say Hillary is "the past" but within 24 hours of her @Verrit endorsement, we have more followers than @CHAPOTRAPHOUSE.

— Peter Daou (@peterdaou) September 5, 2017

those 24 hours did occur in the past tho

I spent a couple billion dollars running for president and all I have to show for it is more followers on twitter than chapo

not sure what I appreciate more, Peter Daou thinking that is a useful metric, or Peter Daou being aware of CTH's existence and caring what they say :)

I tried the Trillbilly Workers Party but those accents are rough going.

He has threatened half a dozen of their followers / friends with libel in the past iirc. Xp

ugh chapo might be kind of insufferable coming up.. they can't not take the bait from these idiots

The accents of the Trillbillies are part of what endears me to them. My mom's side of the family is from Southern Ohio, and it's like hearing my cousins talk about lefty shit

dril has nearly 3/4 mil follows. That's my metric.

dril has 753k followers

that is a vicious like propagated by the numbers men at twitter

he has five million now

vicious lie, lol

oh lol I definitely read "3/4" as "three or four"

even folks who don't like chapo can hopefully take some joy in their irritating a useless hyperrich stain like Daou

I also find the accents charming xp. I'm a big fan of a kinds of regional American accents though, pretty much anything is more fun to listen to than the standard American English of NPR

even folks who don't like chapo can hopefully take some joy in their irritating a useless hyperrich stain like Daou

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), 6. september 2017 00:03 (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yup

his music is bad and he should feel bad

More followers than Chapo Trap House 🔘
Win an election against a perverted game show host ⚪️

— Matt Christman (@cushbomb) September 5, 2017

peter daou is gonna get entombed in hillary's casket like the pharoah's cat

— joe prince (@joeprince___) September 5, 2017

hot take: they shouldn't have taken off on Labor Day

Don't they normally put out shows Sundays and Tuesdays?

yeah Sunday is the free show, which they skipped this week. premiums are looser - either Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday.

https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-138-verrit-carefully-feat-alex-nichols-9517

The reason for their delay was that sometimes they live the failson gimmick a little too hard:

sorry for the delay everyone. we had a device driver issue today and were unable to record. episode will be recorded and put out tomorrow

— Brain Mentality (@ByYourLogic) September 4, 2017

this is what $80,000 dollars a month buys you, folks

lol the opening with all of them "calling in" was so great

yeah that was fun. I didn't think they were that good on Verrit, mostly because, how could they be -- it's like the thing with liberal comics and Trump, where people think it's "going to be great for comedy" and it's actually terrible for comedy because you can't write jokes about something that already is the joke. The conservative rap bit was entertaining though. I think they're at their best when they're bring your attention to that sort of thing -- the perverse, hidden corners of conservatism and centrism that you'd overlook otherwise.

As they pointed out, Verrit is the kind of thing that feels willed into existence by Chapo. Unfortunately there wasn't much more to say about it. Also I was disappointed that they didn't pick apart my favorite bit of the whole thing "The 65.8 Million"

they did a little.. wasn't there a line about them trying to take advantage of VC's who dont understand what 65m actually means

I just found that to be such a perfect encapsulation of #demfail. 1) it's an obvious and terrible ripoff of "the 99%" but so much clunkier and less memorable and 2) it centers a "movement" around Hillary, instead of around an issue (e.g. wealth inequality), and 3) its wonky (65.8!). I mean I can almost hear the committee room back and forth that led up to it:
"The 65 million. Nice ring to it"
"Well ACTUALLY it's almost 66 million. You don't round down from point 8"
"Okay, how about the 66 million"
"Sounds too much like the six million. You know, never forget?"

I was glad they pointed out that most of their listeners surely begrudgingly voted for Hillary, like what % of that 65 mil was really jazzed about it

its hilarious. talk about doubling down on creating a bubble. might as well make money of their sycophantic audience it's all they have left.

the irony of them bashing Sanders while he is actually working at this moment is insane. this idea that the media didn't entirely bow down before Hillary and treat Trump like an idiot is almost frightening.

one of the best tweets in a long time

pic.twitter.com/cgpLHPJjLF

— 🍍 Dollars Horton 🍍 (@crushingbort) September 6, 2017

cosign

I liked this Kriss/O'Hagan piece

https://thebaffler.com/salvos/tropical-depressions-kriss-ohagan

like what % of that 65 mil was really jazzed about it

actual answer to this question is "the large majority" fwiw

I mean, she lost, she made a lot of mistakes as a candidate, but you don't want to lose sight of the fact that millions and millions of people were super-psyched to have her as President and most of them are not a-holes like Peter Daou (in particular, they don't see the election as generative of some kind of personal beef they have to spend the rest of their life lashing out over, they just -- wish Hillary Clinton had been elected President, that's all)

this was me voting for Hillary

https://nypdecider.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/wet-hot-american-summer-paul-rudd-tantrum.gif

also kudos to the brave warriors coming into the chapo thread to constantly dictate the new centrist goalpost between liberal centrism and lefty politics

"on one hand, peter doau is an self-aggrandizing idiot, on the the other hand I could have started my own podcast you know"

the march to restore internet sanity

like what % of that 65 mil was really jazzed about it

actual answer to this question is "the large majority" fwiw

actual polls consistently showed that less than half of clinton voters were "very enthusiastic" about voting for her, which was lower than trump and much lower than obama's two elections

it's hard to really pinpoint the importance of the enthusiasm numbers but we should at least get the facts right when we talk about it

lol whiney's whas gif

obama is a hard act to follow so comparisons would've been stacked against any candidate or hypothetical campaign she could have run. i liked her campaign, and judging by 'the polls' at the time it seemed others did too. i guess i have learned i should discount my own personal feelings about a campaign much more heavily, in particular i can see how many people view her as an elitist scold in an Al Gore kind of way, and that she didn't do enough to distance herself from that (hard to imagine what she could have done but...) i also learned that sticks are not that useful as the fear of president donald trump didn't seem to do jack shit, and so candidates should more aggressively court the coalition they're going for

Obama definitely a hard act to follow but Hillary has always been unpopular for a number of reasons. Besides reflexive sexism, she's always come off as an insincere & calculating robot.

i can see how many people view her as an elitist scold in an Al Gore kind of way, and that she didn't do enough to distance herself from that (hard to imagine what she could have done but...)

well exactly, that's how she comes off. which obviously has little impact or relevance re: her qualifications & competence in the job as POTUS. screwed by the beer maxim

O's '08 campaign ads also referred to her as duplicitous and untrustworthy iirc

Let's not forget that HRC & her campaign started the birther rumors by leaking those pics of Obama in 'African garb' to Drudge during the primaries in the spring of 2008

imo she would have been a compromiser in chief, getting all kinds of things done but we would have been constantly angry about the caveats attached to every single bill

it's not duplicity as much as a sort of self-defeating pragmatism that results in nice speeches that cater to specific audiences ultimately leading to actions that end up giving many groups a little bit of what they wanted, at the expense of a few things they may not have wanted to give up

Obama was a lot more likely to flat-out tell people "I'm not going to get you everything you want, but I'll try to get you what you need" which is insanely non-duplicitous but somewhat self-defeating in practice

xp idk man, I don't buy that hrc started birther rumors. circulating the photo of Obama in somali clothing was vile; it was obviously an attempt to "other" him and was totally indefensible. Nevertheless he was an adult in the picture, it was totally shitty but I don't buy that it was the beginning of birtherism.