Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

where are they hosting the support group for that finale

You're looking at it ;_;

someone should make a thread for withdrawal & support community just like after Breaking Bad ended

a cheers to my twin peaks fans, a track i made (demo) in the spirit of TP

https://rossmontgomery.bandcamp.com/track/laura-palmer-owes-me-money

I'm not going to pretend that I'm not incredibly frustrated by that ending. But I can't wait to rewatch the entire thing now that my expectations have been completely burned away.

is there going to be some sort of awards ceremony we can arrange? can we give naomi watts some sort of gigantic trophy?

Very grateful to check the email post-TP:TR and see a whole bunch of great music just was released; keeps the/a void from opening tbh
But yeah, where do we go from here?

https://www.alternativenation.net/twin-peaks-julee-cruise-calls-finale-slap-face-emperor-david-lynch/

it seems… odd that andy was fed so much apparently-specific information only to stick naido in a cage. the show is full of these setups that seem to go nowhere. maybe the ultimate theme of this series is that nothing goes to plan and that we shouldn't try so hard (which tbh perfectly echoes the last two years of my life, so it resonates very very strongly).

i know it's corny i posted that link to a twin peaks tribute, but this show means a lot to me...

not corny at all. this show has actually meant a lot to me, like for real. this is probably the worst year of my life (so far) and it has been a giant fucking shining beacon of GOOD every sunday night that i looked forward to, like the one thing that i could count on to go right every week.

this show has been so engrossing...makes me long for more serialized art like it. hard to find these days.

As KM said, not corny in the least. I feel the show, like Mulholland Drive, has has a massive impact on, even changed my life... and quite a few others too, it seems

Gosh she (Cruise) thinks highly of herself. Met her once years ago - we have a mutual friend - and she was divaish as hell then.

Karl, what you said about counting on this show is exactly how I feel

julee cruise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgbRFhrtAr0

There won't be another tv show like this

as much as i'm resistant to the urge to "solve" the show, i am looking forward to reading what others make of the final episode over the next week or two. in the aftermath of mulholland i was very, very confused, and even more so for inland empire. later on it was a lot of fun to read different theories on both of those films. even if they weren't definitive takes on it, and there are some aspects of both films that will just always be ambiguous in meaning, it's a joy to go back and watch it again with someone's grand theory in mind.

Karl, what you said about counting on this show is exactly how I feel

― Week of Wonders (Ross)

if that's really true, than *hugs* over the internet from me to you, big big *hugs*, because you know exactly what i mean

this shitty, shitty year, juxtaposed with these amazing, invigorating 1-hour bursts every weekend, has been almost disorienting

i think what's beautiful about Lynch is one can watch his work and have an aesthetic and emotional response to it, but it doesn't necessarily need to be a theory or lead to anything. I guess what I mean is, watching Inalnd Empire I felt like that was the perfect encapsulation of the dead-end celebrity narrative, but anyone can read anything into his movies. And to me the sensory aspects of them elevate them

thanks Karl, you're great

I'm not going to pretend that I'm not incredibly frustrated by that ending. But I can't wait to rewatch the entire thing now that my expectations have been completely burned away.

― Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 September 2017 15:18 (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i had the biggest case of mental blue balls at the end, but having rewatched the highlights of part 18 a few times, i'm starting to step away from my preconceptions of what this show was and what it was doing.

it feels like the audience reaction was very much part of the narrative. some of the clues were so obvious (the flickering plane windows, the "drink full and descend" mantra, audrey waking up) that we were clearly expected to get to work solving puzzles, only to find that there was no solution to be found. much like dale is discovering in that very last scene.

ordinarily i'd feel self-conscious about reeling off hottakes but i think every viewer has at least three on the go atm.

one thing i'm absolutely certain of is that discussing the show with all of you has been a proper delight, especially in a year (as per karl's and ross's comments) that has been a shitshow for so many reasons. this was hands down the best place anywhere to discuss twin peaks. thanks so much for being curious and positive and insightful throughout the entire run.

xxp yes, his films blossom in my mind. every time i walk away nonplussed, perplexed, or pissed off (like tonite), it just starts to open up and grow...

Karl summed up the audience thesis w/r/t the glass box in 1 very well either in this thread or the other one

Yeah I just want to marinate in the emotion for now - I'm sure people will dig up some good mark frost plotty arcana like whatever the name of the demon was that got corrupted to "Judy" (hilarious btw) but personally don't have any new ideas, only old ones like the fact that Laura and Cooper are dreaming each other and always have been

the middle of the series was full of exposition, straightforward storytelling, & the beginning & end of the series were full of anxiety and utter dread. 8 = the eternal return

There's something incredibly perverse about the fact that "Dougie" and his family seem to be the only ones who got a fan service-y happy ending.

and norma and big ed!

Lucy understood cellphones

and bobby, and some of the other sheriff's dept people! i mean, they all just witnessed this weird battle between good and evil, with good (in the form of a youtube novelty guy beating the shit out of BOB with an incredible hulk fist) appeared to have won.

Lucy (basically) killing Bad Coop was the fan service to end all fan service

It literally ended all fan service

Norma & Ed scene is extremely problematic to me. I feel like I've been shouting into the void about this, but this scene was NOT payoff. Norma & Ed were together in the S2 finale, and even after Nadine snapped out of it, nothing indicated that Ed would stay with her and leave Norma. They had each other, and in the opening scene of 15, we see Nadine marching up to tell Ed "you're free" - holy shit, Ed STAYED with Nadine??????? This is a kick in the gut on top of the scene in 13 where we first see Ed and him and Norma are apparently together, until that other dude shows up, ruining the fantasy with a tonal hand grenade just like the scene in 11 with Shelly & Red. Yes, it was great seeing Ed and Norma kiss over Otis - but this was 25 years late, after they already had it!!! Again, the RR was a focal point where Lynch was showing us the superimposition of timelines and universes - and seeing that Ed & Norma scene play out made me feel really sick, because the elevation that this had been delayed & FRUSTRATED for 25 years overrode any satisfaction in seeing them kiss. That frustration runs throughout S3.

The last ep was utterly perplexing to me. I feel a bit less confused after catching up on this thread. The dramatic slowing down and complete refusal to even return to about a dozen plot threads that I was sure would reach some kind of conclusion was definitely frustrating, but that seems to be the point.

Given that something horrible maybe/likely happened to Becky (we may never know!), I feel Bobby's ending is far from happy. On the other hand, like, that's not where "his" "ending" is at; indeed, he just witnessed the awesome destruction of BOB, it's true

oh, that's true. ok, so bobby will be slightly fucked up 4 lyfe, then. bobby: the return

Norma & Ed scene is extremely problematic to me. I feel like I've been shouting into the void about this, but this scene was NOT payoff.

yes, and i agree that it was unnecessary/lazy, but i do think it ticks the "fan service-y happy ending" box.

I kinda feel like even referencing the ultimate fates of the characters is meaningless. Coop fucked the timeline, everything has changed, and Laura isn't even ultimately saved (being murdered in her youth may have been the preferable fate).

This is how Lynch goes out? No hope. Black hole. End.

Jesus

I also want to echo flappy bird regarding just how amazing the sheriff's department scene with Coop's face superimposed was. Incredibly disquieting, and as such a mood-setter for Episode 18.

i could be alone, but i don't really care about all the unresolved plots. the biggest one for me was the box from the first few episodes. i thought for sure that it would play a role in the final episodes - not just a role but a KEY, crucial role. but it didn't, and i'm fine with that. i will always think about that box and what it meant and how it related to the rest of the world, and i'll never be exactly sure what it meant. AND I THINK ABOUT THE SAME THINGS ABOUT MY DAD OK *cries*

Still so sad for Sam and Tracey :'(

I also want to echo flappy bird regarding just how amazing the sheriff's department scene with Coop's face superimposed was. Incredibly disquieting, and as such a mood-setter for Episode 18.

― Dancing on the Pylons, Monday, September 4, 2017 2:02 AM (forty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rivals Cooper's initial entry into the Black Lodge in the S2 finale as my favorite thing Lynch has ever done. That scene was unbelievable. I was contorted.

does anyone know if the superimposed face was taken from another episode, or if that was a new shot?

Only unresolved thread I'm bummed about is Audrey- a main character from the original series, doesn't show up until more than halfway through the new season, and even then only in 3 incredibly frustrating scenes in some house, and then she has her big moment at the Roadhouse and then she wakes up - where? Audrey???? Look. I understand leaving the Becky thread hanging. She's a new character, and there's no explicit tease of her fate. How tf can they let Audrey hang with that final shot in the mirror in the white room at the end of 16???

xp iirc they landed on that shot and then let it stick and loop over the rest of the scene, as it played out literally inside of Cooper's head.

xxp

Contorted indeed! That scene was both painful (I think the dread never left for the rest of the evening) and euphoria-inducing (because it was so goddamn good). Not sure I've ever been more consciously on the edge of my seat, ha.

OTM

re: painful & euphoric